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Thread: Is socialism realistic?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Socialism is a system where everyone gets free hamburgers but nobody is willing to make them.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    The US interstate system, the Polio Vaccine, Public parks, Hoover dam and State and National Monuments are all products of Socialism. Socialism is taxpayer money that is used to benefit society as a whole.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course it is. And it is pretty much the inevitable direction that we're going in. The last five hundred years have been a continual march away from aristocracy and towards egalitarianism.
    Just to add (and I'm sympathetic to socialism but ultimately nonpartisan): the development of technology and the means of production has certainly made production more social, that is, the division of labour and the assembly line has absorbed small-scale producers in such a way that they are at the whim of those who own these means of production. The contradiction of the last 500 years is that the wealth produced by the means of production have been expropriated by their owners, and a fraction has trickled down. See the pattern? The socialization of labour and the centralization of capital.

    Workers will one day be able to take control of their workplace and institute democracy, at least that's what I hope - and that's ultimately what socialism is about: democracy.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    See the pattern? The socialization of labour and the centralization of capital.
    Yep, and the laborers don't seem particularly interested in supporting the capitalists any longer.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    We already have quite a bit of socialism in the US. People never like to call it that, but it is here.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    Workers will one day be able to take control of their workplace and institute democracy, at least that's what I hope - and that's ultimately what socialism is about: democracy.
    Hope all you want.
    It ain't gonna happen that way. It isn't their workplace.
    It is their employer's workplace, which will only change to - it is the government's (the employer) work place.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Grab a gun and lets find out.
    What?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is socialism possible in the United States?

    In the USA? It has been trying a number of times and has never worked. But there are different ways a socialist society can be constructed and they run their course differently and crash along different paths. But they all have a built in destabilizer. Socialist societies have large mechanisms for massive redistribution from the allocative optimum. This means they do not find efficiency. This does not mean that the welfare of the society cannot be higher after redistribution. I have, however, never seen a model of social redistribution with a stable sollution of welfare above the allocative optimum8.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It ain't gonna happen that way. It isn't their workplace.
    I believe everyone should benefit from their country's resources; we have the technology to make that a reality, too.

    It is their employer's workplace, which will only change to - it is the government's (the employer) work place.
    So you don't think companies could be controlled democratically and share profits amongst themselves?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In the USA? It has been trying a number of times and has never worked. But there are different ways a socialist society can be constructed and they run their course differently and crash along different paths. But they all have a built in destabilizer. Socialist societies have large mechanisms for massive redistribution from the allocative optimum. This means they do not find efficiency. This does not mean that the welfare of the society cannot be higher after redistribution. I have, however, never seen a model of social redistribution with a stable sollution of welfare above the allocative optimum8.
    It is possible to have Pareto efficiency without allocative efficiency.

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