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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...I didnt misunderstand the article, nor do I misunderstand you. Deductions are not welfare.

    Do you file taxes? Do you claim allowable deductions and exemptions? If so...why are you such a horrible scumbag welfare queen?
    Well, yes - those of us who take tax deductions for interest on our homes or for the children in our family ARE getting welfare from the govt. As someone mentioned earlier - we voted for this; as a country we have decided mortgage interest deductions good, credit card interest deductions bad (they used to be allowed). We've decided a child tax credit is good, credits for solar power good, credits for energy efficient devices good -but they are all welfare in terms of redistributing money. Renters are pretty upset by the mortgage interest deduction, by the way.

    So when you complain about someone getting food stamps - best look to what YOU are getting from the government.

    I personally would prefer to up the food stamp budget and lower the budget for sugar subsidies. Unfortunately, the elected representatives (who get lots of money from business, not so much from food stamp recipients) are voting differently.

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Well, yes - those of us who take tax deductions for interest on our homes or for the children in our family ARE getting welfare from the govt. As someone mentioned earlier - we voted for this; as a country we have decided mortgage interest deductions good, credit card interest deductions bad (they used to be allowed). We've decided a child tax credit is good, credits for solar power good, credits for energy efficient devices good -but they are all welfare in terms of redistributing money. Renters are pretty upset by the mortgage interest deduction, by the way.

    So when you complain about someone getting food stamps - best look to what YOU are getting from the government.

    I personally would prefer to up the food stamp budget and lower the budget for sugar subsidies. Unfortunately, the elected representatives (who get lots of money from business, not so much from food stamp recipients) are voting differently.
    There ya go. As long as you are willing to wear the "Yes...I am a scumbag welfare queen" label and not the "Look at me, Im a hypocritical douchebag complaining about others receiving the same benefits I receive" label, I'm cool with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There ya go. As long as you are willing to wear the "Yes...I am a scumbag welfare queen" label and not the "Look at me, Im a hypocritical douchebag complaining about others receiving the same benefits I receive" label, I'm cool with that.
    Want to know how really scumbag I am? I married my second husband mainly so a) he could be on my health plan and b) so I could get more of a tax deduction when I sold my house (for married couples, $500,000 profit is protected from taxes; single people only $250,000, and I was going to have more than $250,000 profit on my house).

    Yet another welfare benefit many of us get from the govt ... but somehow, I don't see conservatives out there demanding THAT one be stopped.

    (oh yes, we love each other - but I didn't have any big urge to get officially married until I saw the economic benefit...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Want to know how really scumbag I am? I married my second husband mainly so a) he could be on my health plan and b) so I could get more of a tax deduction when I sold my house (for married couples, $500,000 profit is protected from taxes; single people only $250,000, and I was going to have more than $250,000 profit on my house).

    Yet another welfare benefit many of us get from the govt ... but somehow, I don't see conservatives out there demanding THAT one be stopped.

    (oh yes, we love each other - but I didn't have any big urge to get officially married until I saw the economic benefit...)
    Probably because most conservatives see a difference between a handout that isnt earned and a legal and legitimate tax deduction. Thats just a guess though. More telling would be the person that bitches about wealthy people and corporations getting it while taking advantage of it themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Probably because most conservatives see a difference between a handout that isnt earned and a legal and legitimate tax deduction. Thats just a guess though. More telling would be the person that bitches about wealthy people and corporations getting it while taking advantage of it themselves.
    Well, this is probably for a different thread -but why would an increase in the value in my house be an "earned" deduction? It wasn't from improvements I made .... I sold in 2005, when the market was high. "I got lucky" to somewhat misquote the Deft Punk song. Why SHOULDN'T I pay taxes on something that increased in value even if it was less than $500,000 in value?

    Don't get me wrong - I'm thrilled to have gotten the deduction - but why don't renters get any kind of deduction? Again, my house increasing in value - how is that earned?

    And I personally value giving govt money more to food snap programs than to sugar subsidies. An "unearned handout" is in the eye of the beholder.

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Well, this is probably for a different thread -but why would an increase in the value in my house be an "earned" deduction? It wasn't from improvements I made .... I sold in 2005, when the market was high. "I got lucky" to somewhat misquote the Deft Punk song. Why SHOULDN'T I pay taxes on something that increased in value even if it was less than $500,000 in value?

    Don't get me wrong - I'm thrilled to have gotten the deduction - but why don't renters get any kind of deduction? Again, my house increasing in value - how is that earned?

    And I personally value giving govt money more to food snap programs than to sugar subsidies. An "unearned handout" is in the eye of the beholder.
    The difference would be that a tax exemption is still the government allowing you to claim a legal exemption to keep more of what you have already earned. The government is NOT saying to you "Hey...well done...your house appreciated in value...here is a sweet check for 6k." Now...if the desire is to end ALL exemptions...well as you said, thats probably a different thread, but I'd be fine with that. Kill the EIC, Kill all exemptions...flat tax. Good ideas.

    I respect the desire to give more. Rather than give more to the fed (I'm personally not altogether convinced they are trusted stewards of taxpayer dollars, but again...thats just me), perhaps you should contribute more directly to a local food bank. Heck...live large and dont claim your donation! Our organization provided Thanksgiving and Christmas meals to 65 families and presents for 73 kids. Most of that came from handshakes and private contributions. There are lots of ways people can help without going through the government.

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The difference would be that a tax exemption is still the government allowing you to claim a legal exemption to keep more of what you have already earned. The government is NOT saying to you "Hey...well done...your house appreciated in value...here is a sweet check for 6k." Now...if the desire is to end ALL exemptions...well as you said, thats probably a different thread, but I'd be fine with that. Kill the EIC, Kill all exemptions...flat tax. Good ideas.

    I respect the desire to give more. Rather than give more to the fed (I'm personally not altogether convinced they are trusted stewards of taxpayer dollars, but again...thats just me), perhaps you should contribute more directly to a local food bank. Heck...live large and dont claim your donation! Our organization provided Thanksgiving and Christmas meals to 65 families and presents for 73 kids. Most of that came from handshakes and private contributions. There are lots of ways people can help without going through the government.
    While there are private charities and they do good work - their work of necessity is uneven. If you don't happen to live in their area of service, you don't benefit. The govt can give evenly, based on pre-determined criteria (a millionaire can go to a food bank; but a millionaire cannot get food stamps)

    Also, some charitable giving is religion-based and requires people to hear a sermon or other religious messages. One locally turned down a volunteer because they weren't Christian. That's fine; that's their choice; but that's another reason why I prefer to have it done through the govt and through my taxes.

    And no, there is minimal difference between me getting a tax break when I sell my house and someone getting food stamps; we are each getting money that otherwise would have gone to the govt to fund various programs.

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post

    Poll Question: Who is the Welfare Queen/Welfare King?

    1. Bag lady from Detroit.
    2. All those low income scumbag wellies.
    3. Carl Icahn.
    4. The Military/Industrial/Corporate complex.
    5. The Banksters.
    6. Big Pharma.
    7. Big Energy.
    8. Quicker Liquors.
    9. Big Corporate USA.
    10. Big Money.
    All of the above, though corporations pay far more taxes than they recieve in actual subsidies in most cases. So in reality they are subsidizing the govt. Except they pass the tax down to us in costs, so in reality we are just paying more taxes, corporations simply collect it for the govt.

    In any case, whats your plan of action?

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Proving corruption on behalf of the wealthy does not diminish the extreme problem of welfare fraud and, worse, creating welfare dependency and lifestyle.

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    Re: Welfare Queens? Welfare Kings Rule the Land

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    While there are private charities and they do good work - their work of necessity is uneven. If you don't happen to live in their area of service, you don't benefit. The govt can give evenly, based on pre-determined criteria (a millionaire can go to a food bank; but a millionaire cannot get food stamps)

    Also, some charitable giving is religion-based and requires people to hear a sermon or other religious messages. One locally turned down a volunteer because they weren't Christian. That's fine; that's their choice; but that's another reason why I prefer to have it done through the govt and through my taxes.

    And no, there is minimal difference between me getting a tax break when I sell my house and someone getting food stamps; we are each getting money that otherwise would have gone to the govt to fund various programs.
    Yes...we see that every day. Literally TRIPPING over millionaires lining up at the county relief organization.

    Look...you like big gov...you want to give MORE to big gov...you SHOULD. You CAN. Dont wait for big gov to force you or to take it from you. You can give more in taxes than you have to. I think you absolutely should. And start right now. Oh...and dont claim any exemptions on your taxes either.

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