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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    If I could refine it a bit more, Republicans are all for milking the government for DoD and 'privatizing' all they can. The CONs are a subset, they are like the OP, a real Scrooge McDuck who's answer for everything that doesn't fit their agenda is 'liberal'. Small in number we have seen their worst and now hopefully the GOP can find a way out of the TP Bog.

    I do have an odd feeling that once the basics are privatized the radicals in CONdom will demand an end to subsidies to social programs. How successful they will be is another story.
    most things were privatized for more than half our country's history. now we have runaway debt, massive intergenerational welfare, and poverty really hasn't been beaten



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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    I'd prefer someone who's pragmatic. You should never compromise just for the sake of compromise, but when you can compromise a little bit to get a lot of what you want you do that. If you have somebody standing up for 10% of what you want in a way that assures you won't get the other 90% that is not a good thing, and I think that's what some politicians get stuck on.
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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I do have an odd feeling that once the basics are privatized the radicals in CONdom will demand an end to subsidies to social programs. How successful they will be is another story.
    This is a hard one for me to decide. On one hand, I don't think the special interest that push the message "taxes bad" really believe it because they like the subsidies they receive. They just hate taxes going toward "public" programs. Special interest view themselves in competition for that money. Politicians are their puppets and the public is their audience to sway. Sad to think that many libertarians/conservatives think the Republicans (or TP for that matter) are really looking out for them to pay less taxes. You'll more often see a transfer from public hands to private. Also, a shift from pooling risk to individualizing them is fairly new. In my opinion, a dangerous trend.

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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    I go for 1 and 2.
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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    I want one who can do both and knows when to fight and when to compromise. Just doing one or the other all the time completely fails to represent one's constituents or the American people as a whole.
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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I want one who can do both and knows when to fight and when to compromise. Just doing one or the other all the time completely fails to represent one's constituents or the American people as a whole.
    Fair point. And I'm guessing you voted the third option and I can respect that - especially considering the good explanation you gave.

    Just out of curiosity though, IF hypothetically you had to pick one or the other - which one do you tend to favor more?

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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    It's a little confusing, because liberals don't actually care about freedom.
    Well, there's an annoying distinction between what Americans think of as 'liberal' and what the rest of the world (plus political science major Americans) think the word means. In America, liberal is (an odd choice of) byword for progressive, which is used somewhat interchangeably. In politics, a liberal is someone who IS concerned with personal, social and economic liberties, and it's not juxtaposed against 'conservative' the way 'progressive' is.

    So if you're saying that American liberals, as in progressives, don't actually care about freedom -- that's sort of true. Now, that's an incendiary statement, and it's also false, but you're correct in saying that an inherent part of progressive doctrine isn't necessarily increasing negative freedoms (though I think most would argue quite rightly that progressive do favour positive freedoms, which are in general better for a society anyway).

    But you're also just dead wrong if you're using that term in the political terminology sense, where being a 'liberal' is literally all about freedom.

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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Well, there's an annoying distinction between what Americans think of as 'liberal' and what the rest of the world (plus political science major Americans) think the word means. In America, liberal is (an odd choice of) byword for progressive, which is used somewhat interchangeably. In politics, a liberal is someone who IS concerned with personal, social and economic liberties, and it's not juxtaposed against 'conservative' the way 'progressive' is.

    So if you're saying that American liberals, as in progressives, don't actually care about freedom -- that's sort of true. Now, that's an incendiary statement, and it's also false, but you're correct in saying that an inherent part of progressive doctrine isn't necessarily increasing negative freedoms (though I think most would argue quite rightly that progressive do favour positive freedoms, which are in general better for a society anyway).

    But you're also just dead wrong if you're using that term in the political terminology sense, where being a 'liberal' is literally all about freedom.
    No. I know that it is not entirely all about that. There are 4 aspects of the political spectrum. Top, Bottom, Left, and Right. The top represents Libertarians. The Bottom represents authoritarians. The Left represents liberals (they start using the word "progressive" because it sounds better than their tainted word of "liberal") and the Right represents conservatives.

    You can have leftist libertarians which favor gay marriage and the freedom to murder unborn babies. Then you have conservatives who tend to favor traditional values. the Tea Party is the more conservative libertarians who favor gun rights and are pro-life (favoring freedom of unborn babies to live), and then conservative authoritarians who believe in being strict about their conservative values. The bottom left would be more socialist.

    Liberal values you see equality BUT usually in the sense of what sounds nice in theory, but not always in practice. For example, liberals will try to make sure that they have at least 1 black, 1 woman, and 1 hispanic person - one type of every type of people, so that no type of person feels misrepresented. For example, there's even some Republicans in the Obama Cabinet.

    Republicans would just rather choose the qualified individuals, regardless of what color or gender they are. But if it's all white men, then some people might think that they're being too exclusive. This isn't always the case anymore like it used to be, due to the ambitiousness of women and minorities.

    But, I understand that that's how the 'general idea' of the mindset works.

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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
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    oh, in that case, welcome to the forum.

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    Re: Do you prefer to elect a fighter? or a compromiser?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Would you rather support a candidate who will really take on their opposition and stand up for the things you believe in?

    Or would you rather have someone more diplomatic and working with the other party?

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    Kind of a silly question...and I get where you are trying to go with this obviously loaded question. The reality is that in life it is rarely that simple or cut and dry. For instance, I'm an attorney. I hear it all this time .... "I want someone who is going to fight for me". And I agree that often this is important. But sometimes the most effective thing that an attorney can do for their client is find a way to negotiate and compromise....because sometimes, you can fight as hard as you can and you come up empty handed...and in those cases, I often hear "I should have taken your advice......."
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