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Thread: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Why?

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The Weather underground has bombed buildings, so they would have to be the worst. But they don't exist anymore.
    I would agree, but I would add a caveat. The Weather Underground epitomized the ineffectiveness of the post-'68 SDS, and effectively dragged the SDS brand down enough that the WU appeared to be a separate entity from the SDS, eventually becoming utterly irrelevant. So on one hand, you couldn't say that the post-68 SDS was the Hayden-Gitlin group anymore, nor could you quite say it was the WU. The SDS at that point had embraced violent revolution as a concept after '68, but the WU became the brand that people recognized. The SDS just evaporated from effectiveness, while the WU dragged the neo-Marxist revolution down to such an extent as to make Nixon and mainstream Democrats utterly favorable.

    The Tea Party was at the very least partially-effective in: 1) creating a political coalition with support at the governing level 2) Creating public support 3) Having more than a dozen explicit members 4) Not hunted by all major authority figures 5) Not doing drugs 6) Maintaining some semblance of reality.

    So if in terms of effectiveness=good, the Tea Party is leaps and bounds ahead of the WU. However, if you are figuring in terms of political danger=bad, then the Tea Party's effectiveness is more of a sign of worry for its political opponents than the WU was for its political opponents (because most groups were opposed to WU).
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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Ask a liberal, they will tell the Tea Party is nothing but older white racist pigs among other things
    I see an exaggerated mob with little acceptance for politics, and an over-exaggerated sense of the virtues of the masses. I favor conservative (big government flavor) elitism over populist "conservative" democrats (small "d"). Of course, I take bits and pieces of each message to mold my own politics, but this is my own orientation.
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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Obviously the Weather Underground. Several bombings were carried out by the group, for things such as commemorating the Chinese Revolution and showing solidarity with Allende. They were so radical that the Black Panthers wanted nothing to do with them. They had no plan; they would run at police unarmed with no objective. Whether you disagree or agree with the Tea Party, they have never used violence against innocent people and private property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The Weather Underground epitomized the ineffectiveness of the post-'68 SDS, and effectively dragged the SDS brand down enough that the WU appeared to be a separate entity from the SDS, eventually becoming utterly irrelevant.
    Yeah. The Underground crushed the name of the SDS, as the radicals within the SDS who became 'frustrated' with the peaceful protests of the SDS basically destroyed the SDS's reputation by carrying out acts that, on the surface to the public, seemed to have been ordered by SDS leadership.

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    anything left or right of center will always be considered radical. I am surprised you voted the for the group that has NEVER blown up any government buildings or killed anyone. How can you justify that thinking?
    Timothy McVeigh would have LOVED the Tea Party.
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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Timothy McVeigh would have LOVED the Tea Party.
    Why? Is this simply an appeal to probability (logical) fallacy or do you have any substantive, written evidence?

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Politics and ideologies of the ORIGINAL (pre-palin hijack) Tea Party were by in large identical to those of the founding fathers, being classical Liberalism, or more or less modern day Libertarianism. Hardly something radical, as the country was founded upon those principles. Now, put it on the same playing field as Progressivism, sure, it's radical. At one point it was considered center and the norm. I would call Progressivism a scourge, parasitical in nature (using the democratic party as a host), completely at odds with everything this country stood for, stands for, and was founded upon. That's radical.

    As for the weather underground, largely irrelevant. Obviously, utilization of violence puts them at the top of the radical list. Anyone else remember where Godbama was when he declared his run for president the first time around?

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Timothy McVeigh would have LOVED the Tea Party.
    He actually turned out to be a non-christian left winger. So...probably not. MSNBC and their facts, no wonder why nobody takes them seriously.

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Timothy McVeigh would have LOVED the Tea Party.
    Bill Ayers and Barrack Obama did love the underground

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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Seems to me that the word "fringe" implies something much less mainstream than the tea party.
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    Re: Which is radical fringe is worse? The Weather Underground or the Tea Party? Wh

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    We all have heard how radical the Tea Party is and how out of touch they are with reality. So how do the compare with the radical left organization calling themselves the Weather Underground formed in Ann Arbor from the SDS. The Weather Underground seemed pretty much out there and used violence to make their point. Please state your opinion.
    Really? People think the Tea Party (of today of course) is radical???? Perhaps, the original one was radical but today's is pretty status quo.

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