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  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    5 3.62%
  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    54 39.13%
  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    41 29.71%
  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    3 2.17%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    51 36.96%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    32 23.19%
  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    22 15.94%
  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    12 8.70%
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Thread: Duck Dynasty

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I agree. It's also sad how many people flip-flop on whether what happens outside of work should be addressed by employers, mostly based on their political opinion of what the individual did. If you believe A&E was reasonable in their actions (even if they put such in a contract), a Christian employer should be allowed to let someone go for publicly supporting homosexuality.
    If the employment contract with said Christian allowed for it I would agree.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, they're still makin' money. A friend bought a DD t-shirt just to troll.
    They were making money before the TV show. Not that we all don't want more, I don't think they needed it.

    Phil just speaks his mind without a filter, which is honest but a little socially crass and naive.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If the employment contract with said Christian allowed for it I would agree.
    I think we need a universal standard. Either any employer should be able to include it in a contract that if you represent views contrary to their values in the public square they can fire you, religious or secular, or we ought to make all speech by employees 100% protected, no matter how controversial it is, as long as it outside the workplace. Pick one.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Phil just speaks his mind without a filter, which is honest but a little socially crass and naive.
    Happy, happy, happy.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That would be a yes. A&E is a secular network and doesn't appreciate its employees using their platform of fame to spread their religious beliefs. Explicitly religious employers would and should have similar expectations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Durin View Post
    I missed this, and I agree with it. I think if an employer makes it very clear that they are religiously oriented employer they should have that right, up to a point. As should secular ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If the employment contract with said Christian allowed for it I would agree.
    So, similarly, Hobby Lobby should be able to include the condition that if you work for them then they aren't going to provide insurance which includes abortion coverage. Business is about mutual agreements. Just make sure you get details well documented. I have no issues with what A&E did, but I expect similar for those with different beliefs. Those who don't like an employer's stance can boycott, as many are currently doing to A&E.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    So, similarly, Hobby Lobby should be able to include the condition that if you work for them then they aren't going to provide insurance which includes abortion coverage. Business is about mutual agreements. Just make sure you get details well documented. I have no issues with what A&E did, but I expect similar for those with different beliefs. Those who don't like an employer's stance can boycott, as many are currently doing to A&E.
    Two entirely difference scenarios though. Non-religious corporations should not be able to use their own personal religious beliefs to limit others healthcare coverage or access to contraceptives. Strictly religious entities meanwhile have received carve outs for that exact purpose.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    America is far too obsessed with celebrity.

    Who really cares and what does it matter?
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Two entirely difference scenarios though. Non-religious corporations should not be able to use their own personal religious beliefs to limit others healthcare coverage or access to contraceptives. Strictly religious entities meanwhile have received carve outs for that exact purpose.
    Companies are not required to provide health insurance (yet), so what they do provide is considered a benefit, not a right...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Companies are not required to provide health insurance (yet), so what they do provide is considered a benefit, not a right...
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Companies are not required to provide health insurance (yet), so what they do provide is considered a benefit, not a right...
    And? Insurance companies are required to offer contraceptives as part of their coverage. Hobby Lobby wishes to provide healthcare for their employees yet wish to whittle down the contents to suit their personal religious agenda. That's the issue at play here.

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