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  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    5 3.62%
  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    54 39.13%
  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    41 29.71%
  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    3 2.17%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    51 36.96%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    32 23.19%
  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    22 15.94%
  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    12 8.70%
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Thread: Duck Dynasty

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a free country, he can say as he likes.
    Didn't say he couldn't. I just ask a question.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Its truly saddening how so many people here don't actually understand how free speech works.

    Social consequences for an unpopular opinion does not impede free speech.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Didn't say he couldn't. I just ask a question.
    And I answered with my opinion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And I answered with my opinion.
    You only stated the obvious.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Its truly saddening how so many people here don't actually understand how free speech works.

    Social consequences for an unpopular opinion does not impede free speech.
    I agree. It's also sad how many people flip-flop on whether what happens outside of work should be addressed by employers, mostly based on their political opinion of what the individual did. If you believe A&E was reasonable in their actions (even if they put such in a contract), a Christian employer should be allowed to let someone go for publicly supporting homosexuality.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I agree. It's also sad how many people flip-flop on whether what happens outside of work should be addressed by employers, mostly based on their political opinion of what the individual did. If you believe A&E was reasonable in their actions (even if they put such in a contract), a Christian employer should be allowed to let someone go for publicly supporting homosexuality.
    That would be a yes. A&E is a secular network and doesn't appreciate its employees using their platform of fame to spread their religious beliefs. Explicitly religious employers would and should have similar expectations.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I agree. It's also sad how many people flip-flop on whether what happens outside of work should be addressed by employers, mostly based on their political opinion of what the individual did. If you believe A&E was reasonable in their actions (even if they put such in a contract), a Christian employer should be allowed to let someone go for publicly supporting homosexuality.
    I somewhat agree. The specific case here is that duck dynasty and A&E have branding concerns which can effect the bottom line. This, for me, is a legitimate basis for discharge. I would be just as supportive in the hypothetical case of lets say the trinity network firing a commentator who supported gay rights.

    If its a factory or some other industry where the concerns affecting the bottom line are different, I would have taken the stance that Phil should have been left alone.

    There is a lot of context in this scenario.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Legally he has a right to speak his mind and face no legal penalty. If they try to outlaw his speech and put him in prison for it, it will violate the first amendment, but that is not what happened here. A private company placed a man on hiatus for espousing views contrary to the image they want to portray.

    The separate issue here is whether or not companies have a right to fire people for their religious or political views. He possibly has a case if he claims he stated his views on the issue from a religious perspective, because I think religious discrimination is banned. It's a fine line to walk. We can't allow ourselves to become a society where employers are allowed to dictate our political and religious beliefs (and I say this as a free market conservative), but Phil was not just a guy working in the mailroom, he was a public figure designed to represent their company. Presumably he has a contract and in that contract it says he cannot represent the company by discriminatory actions or statements.

    For the record, I am a conservative although I disagree with most other conservatives on LGBT issues. My own stance on it is that equality before the law means equality before the law. It is that simple. I have my Bible and I believe homosexuality is contrary to it, but it is a church discipline issue, within the realm of the state it is no business of government. I'm guessing Phil and I have different views on the issue, but I wouldn't fire him for this. A and E chose to put an outspoken conservative Christian southern family on TV. Do they expect these people to be wine and cheese liberals? You can't put somebody like that on TV and build an entire TV show around that image but then expect them not to express the views that people like that typically hold.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Well, they're still makin' money. A friend bought a DD t-shirt just to troll.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That would be a yes. A&E is a secular network and doesn't appreciate its employees using their platform of fame to spread their religious beliefs. Explicitly religious employers would and should have similar expectations.
    I missed this, and I agree with it. I think if an employer makes it very clear that they are religiously oriented employer they should have that right, up to a point. As should secular ones.

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