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  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    5 3.62%
  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    54 39.13%
  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    41 29.71%
  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    3 2.17%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    51 36.96%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    32 23.19%
  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    22 15.94%
  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    12 8.70%
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Thread: Duck Dynasty

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    "Trying to force others to accept the correct view is never easy, but it is to right thing to do"

    Based on the context in which you used it I would believe you'd be using the definition of either:

    - coercion or compulsion, esp. with the use or threat of violence.

    or

    - make (someone) do something against their will.

    Since the sentence wouldn't make sense if you were meaning "use strength or energy as an attribute of physical action" or "make a way through or into by physical strength"

    Since YOU used the word and you seem to be acting as if the actual definitions aren't what you meant, perhaps YOU can provide what you meant by "force"?
    I used the word in the same sense it was used in the article I was responding to. Accept it.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say nothing. A&E knew what they were getting into when they got the Robertson family for their show. It wasn't like they got some San Francisco family and they said what Robertson said about homosexuality. I do agree with his comments regarding homosexuality. At the same time I think its hypocritical of those who were demanding that Martin Bashir be fired when they are defending Roberton's right to say what he said or vice versa. Also its stupid to worry about what someone said in a show when you do not watch that show and or not that show's target audience. If A&E wants to throw away money by essentially getting rid of their Duck Dynasty show then let them, I am sure someone else will pick them up.
    I agree that Bashir didn't do anything much different but he was also dismissed. A&E most likely won't throw away the show over this incident.


    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    1) I don't give a **** about Duck Dynasty or reality TV in general because it's an oxymoron.

    2) Disagree with what Phil Robertson said because it's moronic, agree he has the right to say it.

    3) Also agree that Robertson has the right to deal with the consequences of his actions and A&E has the right to do whatever they want with him - if those comments were made in any other setting or at a normal workplace he'd face some kind of discipline. If those comments had been made about race or sex instead of homosexuality mostly everyone would be outraged. That being said DD is a ratings machine and I think he'll return to the show sooner rather than later. It's always about the money.
    Pretty much agree with this statement, except I do watch some reality TV though not the Ducks.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    There you go again, with your false equivalence. So, I can say "Niggers oughta be rounded up and put back on the plantation, like god wants them to be", and anyone who calls me an asshole is equivalently as bigotted as I am?
    There you go again, creating strawmen and making assumptions.

    Someone saying "Niggers oughta be rounded up and put back on the plantation, like god wants them to be" is being bigoted.

    Soemone saying "People who believe Blacks should be rounded up and put on plantations because they believe god wants them there need to be forced out of existence in our society" is ALSO being bigoted.

    The levels of bigotry, which you are talking about in this particular post, is entirely subjective based upon the individual and their own individual moral views. Additionally, whether or not the either individuals bigotry is "justified" bigotry or "reasonable" bigotry or "good" bigotry is also completely based upon the individual moral views of the person making such a judgement.

    But yes, both people are absolutely acting bigoted. I'm sorry you want to have a hissy fit over someone actually using the definition of a word instead of just accepting your own biased, emotional based, attempted implied usage that is nothing but a clear cut attempt to excuse and rationalize your own bigotry to try and make it jive with your ridiculous black and white view that all bigotry = bad.

    Now, do you want to discuss what I actually said or do you want to go after a straw man again?

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    I just don't understand why this is a thing.

    It's some backwoods hick with the guns and beard to prove it, and anyone is surprised that he says ignorant and backward things?

    It's just preposterous. He has the right to any opinion he likes, even if he is an offensive, uneducated idiot, and we all have the right to think he's such. Where is the scandal?

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I just don't understand why this is a thing.

    It's some backwoods hick with the guns and beard to prove it, and anyone is surprised that he says ignorant and backward things?

    It's just preposterous. He has the right to any opinion he likes, even if he is an offensive, uneducated idiot, and we all have the right to think he's such. Where is the scandal?
    Stereotype much?

    Oh, we're not close-minded, are we? Not one bit. Never mind the fact that he was a top class athlete in college. Yes, college, not a one-room grade school. Never mind that he has patents to his name. Never mind that he has been a successful businessman apart from the television show. No, because he says things we don't like, and grooms himself in a manner we do not approve, he's an "uneducated idiot".

    Spare me.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What do you think Phil Robertson should have done different, if anything?
    Maybe I grew up deep in the Bible Belt. I see nothing shocking about Phil's position. I also see nothing shocking about an organization firing somebody.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    What did he do?
    Exactly! He had a conversation. God forbid someone has a conversation.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Maybe I grew up deep in the Bible Belt. I see nothing shocking about Phil's position. I also see nothing shocking about an organization firing somebody.
    Would you say that you're not "shocked" easily or that you can't "see" because of misplaced eyeglasses? Because I find your whole statement shocking....
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There you go again, creating strawmen and making assumptions.

    Someone saying "Niggers oughta be rounded up and put back on the plantation, like god wants them to be" is being bigoted.

    Soemone saying "People who believe Blacks should be rounded up and put on plantations because they believe god wants them there need to be forced out of existence in our society" is ALSO being bigoted.

    The levels of bigotry, which you are talking about in this particular post, is entirely subjective based upon the individual and their own individual moral views. Additionally, whether or not the either individuals bigotry is "justified" bigotry or "reasonable" bigotry or "good" bigotry is also completely based upon the individual moral views of the person making such a judgement.

    But yes, both people are absolutely acting bigoted. I'm sorry you want to have a hissy fit over someone actually using the definition of a word instead of just accepting your own biased, emotional based, attempted implied usage that is nothing but a clear cut attempt to excuse and rationalize your own bigotry to try and make it jive with your ridiculous black and white view that all bigotry = bad.

    Now, do you want to discuss what I actually said or do you want to go after a straw man again?
    And there you are, justifying supposed bigotry on the part of the people who would be offended at the racism I gave as an example, and yet denying that justification to me when I am offended at the homophobia shown by our modern day folks. Why is that?
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