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  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    5 3.62%
  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    54 39.13%
  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    41 29.71%
  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    3 2.17%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    51 36.96%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    32 23.19%
  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    22 15.94%
  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    12 8.70%
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Thread: Duck Dynasty

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I really don't know how you define "forcing", but whatever.
    "Trying to force others to accept the correct view is never easy, but it is to right thing to do"

    Based on the context in which you used it I would believe you'd be using the definition of either:

    - coercion or compulsion, esp. with the use or threat of violence.

    or

    - make (someone) do something against their will.

    Since the sentence wouldn't make sense if you were meaning "use strength or energy as an attribute of physical action" or "make a way through or into by physical strength"

    Since YOU used the word and you seem to be acting as if the actual definitions aren't what you meant, perhaps YOU can provide what you meant by "force"?

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I tend to personally agree but it's actually part of a larger social issue. I posted this statement on another thread to make the point.

    "I believe the outcry from the conservatives on this issue is oriented in a sudden public shift in opinion on the acceptance of homosexuality. And not just the lack of condemnation but the political movement towards SSM. I often hear about Gay activists pushing an agenda, which is probably true to some degree and this unsettles the traditionalists.

    I live in the south and hear my redneck acquaintances saying "it's too much Gay, too fast". I've often preached in the forums for the pro LGBT supporters to slow their roll or there will be a social divide and organized blowback. Especially with the PC control over speech. Let people have the time to adjust and freedom to vocally resist, so that a happy middle can be achieved.

    The Cracker Barrel has already gotten such a massive negative response that they put Phil's items back on the shelves.

    Hating or preaching against homosexuality is not going to make it go away. It's been around since before biblical times. And trying to force others to accept your orientation on every level is not a realistic goal."
    People are free to hate and speak out against homosexuality. They don't have to accept it ever, they just can't do anything about it. That's about it.

    There is some interesting social trends that can be examined from this event since it is national and that could show some overall trends and demographics. But the overall attention that is being paid towards this issue isn't so much along along those lines and I fear that it's just distraction. At worst, it's been a brilliant publicity stunt.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you saying I should be tolerant of bigotry? What other specific bigoted positions do you think people should be tolerant of?
    Not tolerant, you don't have to like or accept. You cannot force anything though. People are free to be stupid and to express their stupidity.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Right and wrong is established through reason. It's been a long, slow slog to rip right and wrong out from under the auspices of religion, but slowly and relentlessly, reason is prevailing. Religion is being dragged, kicking and screaming the whole way, toward reasonable positions.

    Do I get to say child rape is ok, and you just go "Well, no one is the arbiter of right and wrong, so maybe child rape is ok..."? I seriously doubt it. There are things that are demonstrably wrong. Bigotry is one of those things.

    Popular opinion most comports with reason in a population trained to reason. Ours is not especially good at it, but it is doing so so.
    You can say that child rape is OK, and I am free.to say "man that guy is a sick bastard". What you cannot do is rape a child.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Nothing, he gave an honest answer to a question during an interview. If he had been opining on an unsolicited soapbox it may be different, but berating him for answering a question honestly is simply ludicrous.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The interviewer from GQ asked him the questions directly and really seemed to enjoy Phil's company. So are you simply misinformed?
    Yeah, well, who knows, maybe we all are. Maybe the guy's smarter than he seems- maybe he's tired of doing the show and wanted to go out with a bang.
    I'll damn betcha the GQ guy was enjoying it. Probably they both knew, in general terms, where the interview was going to go.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yeah, well, who knows, maybe we all are. Maybe the guy's smarter than he seems- maybe he's tired of doing the show and wanted to go out with a bang.
    I'll damn betcha the GQ guy was enjoying it. Probably they both knew, in general terms, where the interview was going to go.
    So did Phil.

    Like I said before, Phil probably thought if he could save one God-less baby progressive it would be well worth it.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    So did Phil.

    Like I said before, Phil probably thought if he could save one God-less baby progressive it would be well worth it.
    Well, we appreciate the thought but I doubt my salvation will be from his hands.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People are free to hate and speak out against homosexuality. They don't have to accept it ever, they just can't do anything about it. That's about it.

    There is some interesting social trends that can be examined from this event since it is national and that could show some overall trends and demographics. But the overall attention that is being paid towards this issue isn't so much along along those lines and I fear that it's just distraction. At worst, it's been a brilliant publicity stunt.
    You're on track with what it means and how it's being played out. But the Robertson's are representative of a conservative/religious view point that feels suppressed and afraid to speak out due to the politically charged nature of the issue. Some say it's pure social bigotry, while others believe it's only an expression about commending positive concepts. The less credence the opponents give to the comments the less effect they have.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're on track with what it means and how it's being played out. But the Robertson's are representative of a conservative/religious view point that feels suppressed and afraid to speak out due to the politically charged nature of the issue. Some say it's pure social bigotry, while others believe it's only an expression about commending positive concepts. The less credence the opponents give to the comments the less effect they have.
    Of course the conservative/religious viewpoint "feels suppressed." A rampant persecution complex is a hallmark of modern American "conservatism."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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