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  • I don't agree with Phil's comments and he had no right saying it.

    5 3.62%
  • I don't agree with Phil's comment's but defend his right to say it.

    54 39.13%
  • I agree with Phil's comments and defend his right to say it.

    41 29.71%
  • A&E had no right to suspend Phil.

    3 2.17%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil but I don't agree with it.

    51 36.96%
  • A&E has a right to suspend Phil and I agree with it.

    32 23.19%
  • It's a question of "freedom of speech" and very important.

    22 15.94%
  • Phil's beard is too weird, which makes him a slave to fame.

    12 8.70%
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Thread: Duck Dynasty

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Nothing. He spoke God's word. [in his own special way]
    Get out!
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I tend to personally agree but it's actually part of a larger social issue. I posted this statement on another thread to make the point.

    "I believe the outcry from the conservatives on this issue is oriented in a sudden public shift in opinion on the acceptance of homosexuality. And not just the lack of condemnation but the political movement towards SSM. I often hear about Gay activists pushing an agenda, which is probably true to some degree and this unsettles the traditionalists.

    I live in the south and hear my redneck acquaintances saying "it's too much Gay, too fast". I've often preached in the forums for the pro LGBT supporters to slow their roll or there will be a social divide and organized blowback. Especially with the PC control over speech. Let people have the time to adjust and freedom to vocally resist, so that a happy middle can be achieved.

    The Cracker Barrel has already gotten such a massive negative response that they put Phil's items back on the shelves.

    Hating or preaching against homosexuality is not going to make it go away. It's been around since before biblical times. And trying to force others to accept your orientation on every level is not a realistic goal."
    Trying to force others to accept the correct view is never easy, but it is to right thing to do. There are still people who think Blacks are an inferior race, and they believe this due to their religious doctrine BTW, and we don't make social allowances for them. Bigotry is what it is, and it should never be socially acceptable, even when it is mixed up with religion. Perhaps especially when it is mixed up in religion.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    He shoulda kept his trap shut about his fundamentalist religious beliefs. He was entertainment when he was just quaint and funny but as soon as he beaked off like that he became lunatic-fringe and creepy.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Trying to force others to accept the correct view is never easy, but it is to right thing to do. There are still people who think Blacks are an inferior race, and they believe this due to their religious doctrine BTW, and we don't make social allowances for them. Bigotry is what it is, and it should never be socially acceptable, even when it is mixed up with religion. Perhaps especially when it is mixed up in religion.
    It seems each side could respect each others freedom of expression without so much drama and overreaction.

    Calling a large demographics beliefs bigotry is not a way to peace. A self righteous stance of intolerance will always cause more grief than solutions. If it's so wrong it will in time be revealed for what it is but you can't force people to think a particular way, it simply doesn't work. Hopefully society will eventually come to some form of acceptance for opposing views of accepted living standards that doesn't trample each others emotions and values.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It seems each side could respect each others freedom of expression without so much drama and overreaction.

    Calling a large demographics beliefs bigotry is not a way to peace. A self righteous stance of intolerance will always cause more grief than solutions. If it's so wrong it will in time be revealed for what it is but you can't force people to think a particular way, it simply doesn't work. Hopefully society will eventually come to some form of acceptance for opposing views of accepted living standards that doesn't trample each others emotions and values.
    Are you saying I should be tolerant of bigotry? What other specific bigoted positions do you think people should be tolerant of?
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you saying I should be tolerant of bigotry? What other specific bigoted positions do you think people should be tolerant of?
    You're the arbiter of right and wrong?

    Or, is right and wrong decided via popular opinion, subject to change on the whims of popular opinion?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you saying I should be tolerant of bigotry? What other specific bigoted positions do you think people should be tolerant of?
    See, I believe that you can think anyway you please because frankly nobody can get inside another's head anyway. But you apparently want to mind control people? If it's not breaking the law what are you really talking about?
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You're the arbiter of right and wrong?

    Or, is right and wrong decided via popular opinion, subject to change on the whims of popular opinion?
    Right and wrong is established through reason. It's been a long, slow slog to rip right and wrong out from under the auspices of religion, but slowly and relentlessly, reason is prevailing. Religion is being dragged, kicking and screaming the whole way, toward reasonable positions.

    Do I get to say child rape is ok, and you just go "Well, no one is the arbiter of right and wrong, so maybe child rape is ok..."? I seriously doubt it. There are things that are demonstrably wrong. Bigotry is one of those things.

    Popular opinion most comports with reason in a population trained to reason. Ours is not especially good at it, but it is doing so so.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    See, I believe that you can think anyway you please because frankly nobody can get inside another's head anyway. But you apparently want to mind control people? If it's not breaking the law what are you really talking about?
    No, I don't. You are taking a leap there that is simply not warranted. I do, however, want to shame people who are bigoted. Just like we shame people who are bigoted by being racist.
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    Re: Duck Dynasty

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, I don't. You are taking a leap there that is simply not warranted. I do, however, want to shame people who are bigoted. Just like we shame people who are bigoted by being racist.
    I can get on board with the idea of using a lack of approval to humiliate someone acting stupid. It's the "forcing" people to behave properly beyond what the law calls for that disturbs me.
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