View Poll Results: Your choice for Republican Vice Presidential Nomination, 2016

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  • Bobby Jindal

    1 2.78%
  • Scott Walker

    6 16.67%
  • Nikki Haley

    5 13.89%
  • John Thune

    1 2.78%
  • Rob Portman

    0 0%
  • Kelly Ayotte

    11 30.56%
  • Mary Fallin

    2 5.56%
  • Jeb Bush

    2 5.56%
  • John Kasich

    0 0%
  • Other (Please specify)

    8 22.22%
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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Really? How do you figure? He seems like a pretty average guy.
    I don't know...he has a "Mister Rogers Neighborhood" kinda vibe.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    It is not as far as we think. Sure, a lot can happen. But these polls help people better understand how people think now - considering how things are going now at the moment - so it'll better help candidates and voters then.

    Bush less likely, since he had been a Governor, and was out of the loop for so long. 10 years out of office. Marco Rubio is a Senator and a lot of them are more likely to accept VP Nomination as it's an easier path to the Presidency for them.

    I do remember that about JFK & LBJ. How JFK offered it to him hoping he would not accept it - for hopes that LBJ would help JFK win. There were rumors he was going to pick either Florida U.S. Senator George Smathers or North Carolina Governor (and future U.S. Senator) Terry Sanford.

    Reagan picked a liberal Republican Senator Richard Schweiker to be his running mate in 1976 - if he were to win the nomination - even though he didn't win the nomination. So it isn't a surprise that he chose the moderate former CIA Director (& also former Congressman, former U.S. Senate Nominee, former RNC Chairman, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) George H.W. Bush in 1980.

    It was interesting that the moderate - or liberal - Republican John McCain chose the conservative Republican Sarah Palin to be his running mate in 2008 - although she was considered to be a "high risk, high reward" choice for VP.
    I have been told that a presidential nominee when picking a VP to run with him looks toward someone who might deliver a swing state or a state that the nominee might not take without him. Then there is also the ideological balance of the ticket and I think this is what McCain looked at. To appease the hard line conservatives with the added plus factor Palin was a woman.

    The choice of Palin shocked me as it came out of the blue. McCain had Alaska won and its 3 EV were insignificant in the grand scheme of thing. So the choice had to be IMO that she was a woman and her ideological views would balance the ticket. I do not think whoever McCain would have picked would have made any difference, the electorate were just tired of Bush II and Republican rule and any Tom, Dick or Hillary the Democrats nominated would have won. But being a numbers guy, that choice made no sense.

    Ryan made no sense to me last year either. Romney had 3 swing states in the East he had to win to have a chance, Virginia, Ohio and Florida. Better he picked someone from one of those three states that might have swung that state into his column. Wisconsin was pretty much always listed in either the likely or solid column for the Democrats. But Romney had a trust factor with many conservatives within the Republican party and he probably choose Ryan to help him there. I do know Georgia Republicans were very unenthusiastic with Romney. Yeah they voted for him, but you never did see the amount of bumper stickers like for Bush II or the campaign signs or any type of real backing for Romney.

    As I look at the electoral map for 2016 I can fill in the blue and red without knowing the candidates pretty easily except for the following states, NH, VA, NC, FL, OH, NV and perhaps IA. This means whoever is the Democratic nominee is probably starting out with a 256-191 advantage. Without going into this this real deep, this is where Christie as the GOP nominee has a great advantage, number wise that is. He take his NJ's 14 EV away from the Democrats and puts them in the Republican Column and may place DE, CT, and PA into the swing state column, putting those states into play subtracting their EV from the Dems leaving the starting point at 212-205 or almost even.

    Now you add a John Kasich or a Bob Portman from Ohio as his VP which would help Christie swing also PA into the republican column you would have a 243-212 advantage for the Republicans and even without PA it would be 232-222 advantage. No regional balance I know, but remember the Democrats were very successful in this strategy with Clinton/Gore back in 1992. A Northeasterner and a Midwesterner. Crazy, not for a numbers guy.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I don't know...he has a "Mister Rogers Neighborhood" kinda vibe.
    I haven't noticed that. I think Mike Huckabee has more of that.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    I'd vote For Chris Christie being the VP He would make a great #2 behind a Paul Ryan. I'd even be excited about a Chris Christie with Paul Ryan again the VP nominee, though I doubt Mr. Ryan is interested in being #2 again

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have been told that a presidential nominee when picking a VP to run with him looks toward someone who might deliver a swing state or a state that the nominee might not take without him. Then there is also the ideological balance of the ticket and I think this is what McCain looked at. To appease the hard line conservatives with the added plus factor Palin was a woman.

    The choice of Palin shocked me as it came out of the blue. McCain had Alaska won and its 3 EV were insignificant in the grand scheme of thing. So the choice had to be IMO that she was a woman and her ideological views would balance the ticket. I do not think whoever McCain would have picked would have made any difference, the electorate were just tired of Bush II and Republican rule and any Tom, Dick or Hillary the Democrats nominated would have won. But being a numbers guy, that choice made no sense.

    Ryan made no sense to me last year either. Romney had 3 swing states in the East he had to win to have a chance, Virginia, Ohio and Florida. Better he picked someone from one of those three states that might have swung that state into his column. Wisconsin was pretty much always listed in either the likely or solid column for the Democrats. But Romney had a trust factor with many conservatives within the Republican party and he probably choose Ryan to help him there. I do know Georgia Republicans were very unenthusiastic with Romney. Yeah they voted for him, but you never did see the amount of bumper stickers like for Bush II or the campaign signs or any type of real backing for Romney.

    As I look at the electoral map for 2016 I can fill in the blue and red without knowing the candidates pretty easily except for the following states, NH, VA, NC, FL, OH, NV and perhaps IA. This means whoever is the Democratic nominee is probably starting out with a 256-191 advantage. Without going into this this real deep, this is where Christie as the GOP nominee has a great advantage, number wise that is. He take his NJ's 14 EV away from the Democrats and puts them in the Republican Column and may place DE, CT, and PA into the swing state column, putting those states into play subtracting their EV from the Dems leaving the starting point at 212-205 or almost even.

    Now you add a John Kasich or a Bob Portman from Ohio as his VP which would help Christie swing also PA into the republican column you would have a 243-212 advantage for the Republicans and even without PA it would be 232-222 advantage. No regional balance I know, but remember the Democrats were very successful in this strategy with Clinton/Gore back in 1992. A Northeasterner and a Midwesterner. Crazy, not for a numbers guy.
    Palin was somewhat of a surprise choice because she was never listed on McCain's short list. But names like former Homeland Security Secretary/former Gov. Tom Ridge, then-Connecticut U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and then-Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. BUT, he did suggest that Obama should have picked Hillary as a running mate. So obviously he wanted to pick a woman himself.

    Not always do the poll numbers stay the same. They change with the candidates each election - as younger people who were 14 in the previous election are now 18 and can vote. And not to sound negative, but as older people and other people tend to die, or even people who are either busy or forget to or don't care to vote, the numbers change. We never get 100% of registered voters to vote. A lot of it is the campaign itself, for the undecided voters. Some are unwaveringly supporting their own party. But we can't think that someone is automatically just gonna win a state.

    Some think LBJ helped JFK win Texas. But, it should be known that that doesn't always work, considering that the 2000 Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee, then-Vice President Al Gore - lost his own state of Tennessee.

    2004 Democratic VP Nominee, North Carolina U.S. Sen. John Edwards lost his own state.

    House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan the 2012 GOP VP Nominee lost his state of Wisconsin.

    So that's an outdated theory. Just like not all incumbent Governors and Senators win re-election in their states.

    Chris Christie is not even worth nominating. He's just a moderate. I don't care about catering to voters. Yes, I want my candidates to win. But my candidates are not defined by a title. They are defined by ideals. I care about educating people about why my ideals matter and they work better in practice, not just sound nice in theory.

    If it's Hillary VS. Christie - realistically it could go either way but if they win I would possibly support former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson. He sought GOP Nod in 2012 but instead won the Libertarian Nomination. He was an effective two term Governor. Went into office in 1995 with a huge budget deficit, and left office 8 years later with a huge budget surplus. And he wants to legalize marijuana.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    I have repeatedly said that I want Cruz to win. I don't care about the gop 'label' winning. I want someone of my ideology to win. Ted Cruz is that. Stop being deceived and stop hating Ted Cruz. He's the best choice there is.

    I hate it when people say something so stupid "oh you want Ted Cruz to win? I guess you don't want to win." that's the stupidest thing anyone could ever say to me. If you nominate Christie for President for the sake of electability, it isn't really winning because then I wouldn't have someone of my ideology winning. People need to elect defenders of freedom.
    If Cruz is the candidate, the GOP will have to face yet another four years of "Democrat tyranny".

    Face it, there's no chance of Cruz winning. Whether YOU like the guy or not is irrelevant. This is an obvious observation.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    If Cruz is the candidate, the GOP will have to face yet another four years of "Democrat tyranny".

    Face it, there's no chance of Cruz winning. Whether YOU like the guy or not is irrelevant. This is an obvious observation.
    Why do people KEEP SAYING THAT? Do they not realize how WRONG they really are? Americans can't be that foolish or hateful to reject the good politicians but then glorify and vote for the corrupted? It's wrong and I still believe America can learn from their mistakes. Especially once the reality of Obamacare (AKA Obamadontcare) sets in.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Palin was somewhat of a surprise choice because she was never listed on McCain's short list. But names like former Homeland Security Secretary/former Gov. Tom Ridge, then-Connecticut U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and then-Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. BUT, he did suggest that Obama should have picked Hillary as a running mate. So obviously he wanted to pick a woman himself.

    Not always do the poll numbers stay the same. They change with the candidates each election - as younger people who were 14 in the previous election are now 18 and can vote. And not to sound negative, but as older people and other people tend to die, or even people who are either busy or forget to or don't care to vote, the numbers change. We never get 100% of registered voters to vote. A lot of it is the campaign itself, for the undecided voters. Some are unwaveringly supporting their own party. But we can't think that someone is automatically just gonna win a state.

    Some think LBJ helped JFK win Texas. But, it should be known that that doesn't always work, considering that the 2000 Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee, then-Vice President Al Gore - lost his own state of Tennessee.

    2004 Democratic VP Nominee, North Carolina U.S. Sen. John Edwards lost his own state.

    House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan the 2012 GOP VP Nominee lost his state of Wisconsin.

    So that's an outdated theory. Just like not all incumbent Governors and Senators win re-election in their states.

    Chris Christie is not even worth nominating. He's just a moderate. I don't care about catering to voters. Yes, I want my candidates to win. But my candidates are not defined by a title. They are defined by ideals. I care about educating people about why my ideals matter and they work better in practice, not just sound nice in theory.

    If it's Hillary VS. Christie - realistically it could go either way but if they win I would possibly support former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson. He sought GOP Nod in 2012 but instead won the Libertarian Nomination. He was an effective two term Governor. Went into office in 1995 with a huge budget deficit, and left office 8 years later with a huge budget surplus. And he wants to legalize marijuana.
    I voted for Johnson last year and know all about him. Yeah the numbers do not always play out, Ryan a congressman didn't have an attraction in Wisconsin than a senator or govenor would have had. If Romney had Tommy Thompson as his VP, I think Wisconsin might have been a different story. But you are right about the rest, they have to have been popular in their home state, Al Gore Sr. was popular in Tennessee and Al Gore Jr. won his senate seat there because of his fathers name and was a moderate during his 8 years in the senate. But his positions changed while VP, Tenneesee went Clinton/Gore both in 92 and 96 and Gore losing his home state in 2000 is what caused him to lose the election IMO, not Florida.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Why do people KEEP SAYING THAT? Do they not realize how WRONG they really are? Americans can't be that foolish or hateful to reject the good politicians but then glorify and vote for the corrupted? It's wrong and I still believe America can learn from their mistakes. Especially once the reality of Obamacare (AKA Obamadontcare) sets in.
    I'm importing my post from the other thread to address your delusion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    Your opinion is irrelevant in a presidential race. The fact is that the only chance in hell the GOP have of winning is by putting up a pragmatic moderate.

    [ . . .]

    What's hard to understand? The average American doesn't think like you. They are hostile to Cruz and his grandiloquent Tea Party, especially after the Government shutdown.

    The most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that only 14% of Americans had a favorable opinion of Cruz. In fact, the polls showed that as Cruz' name recognition increased, his favorability ratings dropped.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Vice Presidential Primary (Hypothetical)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    I have repeatedly said that I want Cruz to win. I don't care about the gop 'label' winning. I want someone of my ideology to win. Ted Cruz is that.
    Stop being deceived and stop hating Ted Cruz. He's the best choice there is.


    I hate it when people say something so stupid "oh you want Ted Cruz to win? I guess you don't want to win." that's the stupidest thing anyone could ever say to me. If you nominate Christie for President for the sake of electability, it isn't really winning because then I wouldn't have someone of my ideology winning. People need to elect defenders of freedom.

    I don't think Paul Ryan would be nominated and win nomination. But it is possible.



    If you want the GOP to lose Ted Cruz is an excellent choice.

    The only way that he will ever see the inside of the White House is as a guest.

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