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Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?


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Also anti-immigration attitudes should come and go. For instance, during a booming economy when there is a shortage in the labor force, allowing immigration is a good policy. However, at this point in time the exact opposite is true. There is no shortage of workers, there is a shortage of available jobs. We have a depressed economy and unemployment is rampant. Especially among young males in the 18-25 demographic.

First of all, immigration creates demand for jobs. Our economy is service/ consumer based. That being said, more people = more jobs.

Second of all, in many industries there is a shortage of workers. There are plenty of employers that can't find enough people to fill vacant positions.

Third of all, our highest immigration influxes have often coincided with global crisis.
 
Immigration built this country. It is a no brainer to allow more immigration.
 
My argument is all reality, no ideology.

No it's not. We can't open the doors to everyone, especially people who want to come here and reap the benefits and not contribute. We have every right to pick and choose who we want to become citizens, those people who will work to the benefit of our nation. When the Statue of Liberty was put up, we didn't have the social safety net that we do today. If you want to go back to that time, we wouldn't have as many useless people trying to flood across the border.

That's reality.
 
Immigration built this country. It is a no brainer to allow more immigration.

Legal, intelligent immigration built this country. So long as that's what we're doing, it's fine.
 
to this thread I would say when did immigration to the USA begin ?
 
Please explain the reasoning for your answer.

You are going to have to be more specific.

Do you mean the policy which is a few people from each country per year, or are you talking about the open borders?
 
No it's not. We can't open the doors to everyone, especially people who want to come here and reap the benefits

We certainly can, and have done exactly that in the past.

We have every right to pick and choose who we want to become citizens,

Sure, we also have the right to open our doors and remain the beacon of freedom/ hope for the world.
 
Legal, intelligent immigration built this country. So long as that's what we're doing, it's fine.

Is there any other form of immigration?

True, streamlined immigration is the best way to operate. Minimize the amount of work/ time required for people to legally move to the United States. Create something of a realistic system, like what we've seen at various times in the nations history (1870's or 1910's). Make it so easy to legally immigrate that people wouldn't dream of illegally immigrating, and gain some actual control over the situation.

Also, this would save untold billions of dollars.
 
I assume we are discussing legal immigration.

In which case, I'm for inviting all those with constructive talents to join us. We could use more doctors, more robotics engineers and a lot of other abilities or investments that make our country a better place.
There are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs.
 
First of all, immigration creates demand for jobs. Our economy is service/ consumer based. That being said, more people = more jobs.
Immigrants do not create more jobs than they take. So that is not a good reason to allow immigration.

Second of all, in many industries there is a shortage of workers. There are plenty of employers that can't find enough people to fill vacant positions.
There is no shortage of workers. Period. Those employers could hire Americans. Americans are not incapable of picking tomatoes.

Third of all, our highest immigration influxes have often coincided with global crisis.
So ****ing what. That's no reason to allow immigration.
 
There are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs.

Didn't I hear a lot about some impending doctor shortage? How many robotics engineers do you know? Who will run our smoke shops? Why do we issue H1B visas? Ask how much of healthcare.gov was outsourced to India.

So, apparently not.

So are you against all immigration? Not being snarky, just surprised you wouldn't want a better class of immigrant.
 
Immigrants do not create more jobs than they take. So that is not a good reason to allow immigration.

That's actually a false economy. The United States economy is largely consumer based, and with more consumers there is more jobs. It's simply how things work, to argue otherwise is actually absurd. You should ask yourself why you see so many commercials while watching evening television, or driving down the freeway in a major city.

There is no shortage of workers. Period. Those employers could hire Americans. Americans are not incapable of picking tomatoes.

Actually, for many skilled trades there is a shortage of workers. It's not that Americans couldn't do the work, it's that they either don't know how or they are unwilling to do the work.

I'm quite sure that vocational and/ or better higher education would help alleviate this problem, but currently the right is pushing this anti-education agenda, which is crippling our ability to provide skilled and ambitious workers. Hell, the left is just as guilty with their agenda of downplaying the importance of technical/ vocational education.

As for the unwilling aspect, the U.S. is not unique in this respect; Singapore and the U.A.E. are dealing with very similar problems.

So ****ing what. That's no reason to allow immigration.

Actually, there is no reason to not allow immigration, especially into a nation where immigration has made us stronger, wiser and faster.

And again, if the United States can't be the beacon of freedom & hope for the world, we should just keep to ourselves and disband our trillion dollar military and destroy our trillion dollar international entertainment industry.
 
With USA falling apart. Unemployment 25%.

Any yes answer is the thinking of an idiot.

60 American jobs were stollen by Yamato engines in WA. the US Gov did nothing to stop them and even gave work visas to the foreign criminals.

Now repeat all over USA, in every factory that is left.

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The day a nation closes is the day it falls

We closed 100 years ago.

It was called the INA.

TIme to ENFORCE IT agian.


From WIKI
"In 1921, the Congress passed the Emergency Quota Act, followed by the Immigration Act of 1924. The 1924 Act was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans, especially Jews, Italians, and Slavs, who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s"
 
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With USA falling apart. Unemployment 25%.

Unemployment is not caused by immigration, quite the opposite actually.

The United States is primarily a consumer/ service based economy. The simple logic behind that is with more people comes more jobs.

Further, with a greater influx of people from various parts of the world, demand for new services/ products not previously offered in the United States will even diversify demand, again more jobs.

Any yes answer is the thinking of an idiot.

Any answer no, is the thinking of someone who doesn't understand economics.

60 American jobs were stollen by Yamato engines in WA. the US Gov did nothing to stop them and even gave work visas to the foreign criminals.

Now repeat all over USA, in every factory that is left.

First of all 60 jobs, in the grand scheme of things is small, but consider that they might not have been stolen. Perhaps those jobs were created specifically for the experts from Japan. Companies like Rolls Royce do this all the time.

Second of all, (and again) unemployment is not caused by immigration. In a service/ consumer based economy, unemployment is caused by robbing the purchasing class of their livelihood.

To that end McDonalds, Wal-Mart and Union busting have done more damage to employment statistics than anyone.
 
Unemployment is not caused by immigration, quite the opposite actually.

The United States is primarily a consumer/ service based economy. The simple logic behind that is with more people comes more jobs.

Further, with a greater influx of people from various parts of the world, demand for new services/ products not previously offered in the United States will even diversify demand, again more jobs.



Any answer no, is the thinking of someone who doesn't understand economics.



First of all 60 jobs, in the grand scheme of things is small, but consider that they might not have been stolen. Perhaps those jobs were created specifically for the experts from Japan. Companies like Rolls Royce do this all the time.

Second of all, (and again) unemployment is not caused by immigration. In a service/ consumer based economy, unemployment is caused by robbing the purchasing class of their livelihood.

To that end McDonalds, Wal-Mart and Union busting have done more damage to employment statistics than anyone.

Yes it is. Yamato engines proves it. H1b proves it. More spouting of the morons.

More demand comes from living wages. Ford knew this and paid enough to buy a car. When you "compete" with HUKU slaves, you buy /consume nothing. No home, no car. No vacation.

Economics is explained in the book in my sig. And he agrees with me.

thye were no experts from japan. they were 6th grade educated Mexicans, paid illegal wages, doing the jobs of AMericans.

;Union busting is the same as illegal immigration. Taking living wage jobs.

Retailing has never been a good job. Manufacturing was. And it is gone. so people grasp at the straw of retail.

Only hope there is to make all remaining **** service jobs in USA union by federal decree.
 
Problem here, the people coming here are clueless concerning America. They typically support the politicians that glorify "vote for me and everything will be free". Spend-it-all-Deval (MA governor) won in a landslide primarily due to uneducated and largely state dependent areas. These areas are flooded with indoctrinated generations of people that came from countries that were largely socialist/corrupt/etc. Free handouts are golden tickets in these cultures. They have no business being involved in the American political system, as their votes will lead to the deterioration of our current system...much like the countries they came from.

This isn't a race thing. Don't start with that. This is purely numbers and facts.

Immigration should not be regulated based on how people will vote.
 
Immigration should not be regulated based on how people will vote.

Never said that. I did say that we should not have indoctrinated populations coming into a society that they simply cannot grasp.
 
Please explain the reasoning for your answer.

Yes. It is the lifeblood that brings labor, capital, and ingenuity into our country. Our enormous success in attracting immigrant remains one of the chief advantages we have over other developed countries. Let all come regardless of race or religion. All I ask for is an emphasis on assimilation. I think it is important for a country to have a single language that unites them, a single civic culture, and a shared history.
 
Yes. It is the lifeblood that brings labor, capital, and ingenuity into our country. Our enormous success in attracting immigrant remains one of the chief advantages we have over other developed countries.
I seriously doubt that. Can you provide any evidence to back up that assertion?

Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, there is no shortage of labor in the USA. Unemployment is rampant.
 
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