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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Legal, intelligent immigration built this country. So long as that's what we're doing, it's fine.
    Is there any other form of immigration?

    True, streamlined immigration is the best way to operate. Minimize the amount of work/ time required for people to legally move to the United States. Create something of a realistic system, like what we've seen at various times in the nations history (1870's or 1910's). Make it so easy to legally immigrate that people wouldn't dream of illegally immigrating, and gain some actual control over the situation.

    Also, this would save untold billions of dollars.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I assume we are discussing legal immigration.

    In which case, I'm for inviting all those with constructive talents to join us. We could use more doctors, more robotics engineers and a lot of other abilities or investments that make our country a better place.
    There are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    First of all, immigration creates demand for jobs. Our economy is service/ consumer based. That being said, more people = more jobs.
    Immigrants do not create more jobs than they take. So that is not a good reason to allow immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Second of all, in many industries there is a shortage of workers. There are plenty of employers that can't find enough people to fill vacant positions.
    There is no shortage of workers. Period. Those employers could hire Americans. Americans are not incapable of picking tomatoes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Third of all, our highest immigration influxes have often coincided with global crisis.
    So ****ing what. That's no reason to allow immigration.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    There are plenty of Americans who can do those jobs.
    Didn't I hear a lot about some impending doctor shortage? How many robotics engineers do you know? Who will run our smoke shops? Why do we issue H1B visas? Ask how much of healthcare.gov was outsourced to India.

    So, apparently not.

    So are you against all immigration? Not being snarky, just surprised you wouldn't want a better class of immigrant.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    The day a nation closes is the day it falls
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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Immigrants do not create more jobs than they take. So that is not a good reason to allow immigration.
    That's actually a false economy. The United States economy is largely consumer based, and with more consumers there is more jobs. It's simply how things work, to argue otherwise is actually absurd. You should ask yourself why you see so many commercials while watching evening television, or driving down the freeway in a major city.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    There is no shortage of workers. Period. Those employers could hire Americans. Americans are not incapable of picking tomatoes.
    Actually, for many skilled trades there is a shortage of workers. It's not that Americans couldn't do the work, it's that they either don't know how or they are unwilling to do the work.

    I'm quite sure that vocational and/ or better higher education would help alleviate this problem, but currently the right is pushing this anti-education agenda, which is crippling our ability to provide skilled and ambitious workers. Hell, the left is just as guilty with their agenda of downplaying the importance of technical/ vocational education.

    As for the unwilling aspect, the U.S. is not unique in this respect; Singapore and the U.A.E. are dealing with very similar problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So ****ing what. That's no reason to allow immigration.
    Actually, there is no reason to not allow immigration, especially into a nation where immigration has made us stronger, wiser and faster.

    And again, if the United States can't be the beacon of freedom & hope for the world, we should just keep to ourselves and disband our trillion dollar military and destroy our trillion dollar international entertainment industry.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    With USA falling apart. Unemployment 25%.

    Any yes answer is the thinking of an idiot.

    60 American jobs were stollen by Yamato engines in WA. the US Gov did nothing to stop them and even gave work visas to the foreign criminals.

    Now repeat all over USA, in every factory that is left.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The day a nation closes is the day it falls
    We closed 100 years ago.

    It was called the INA.

    TIme to ENFORCE IT agian.


    From WIKI
    "In 1921, the Congress passed the Emergency Quota Act, followed by the Immigration Act of 1924. The 1924 Act was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans, especially Jews, Italians, and Slavs, who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s"
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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    With USA falling apart. Unemployment 25%.
    Unemployment is not caused by immigration, quite the opposite actually.

    The United States is primarily a consumer/ service based economy. The simple logic behind that is with more people comes more jobs.

    Further, with a greater influx of people from various parts of the world, demand for new services/ products not previously offered in the United States will even diversify demand, again more jobs.

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    Any yes answer is the thinking of an idiot.
    Any answer no, is the thinking of someone who doesn't understand economics.

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    60 American jobs were stollen by Yamato engines in WA. the US Gov did nothing to stop them and even gave work visas to the foreign criminals.

    Now repeat all over USA, in every factory that is left.
    First of all 60 jobs, in the grand scheme of things is small, but consider that they might not have been stolen. Perhaps those jobs were created specifically for the experts from Japan. Companies like Rolls Royce do this all the time.

    Second of all, (and again) unemployment is not caused by immigration. In a service/ consumer based economy, unemployment is caused by robbing the purchasing class of their livelihood.

    To that end McDonalds, Wal-Mart and Union busting have done more damage to employment statistics than anyone.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Unemployment is not caused by immigration, quite the opposite actually.

    The United States is primarily a consumer/ service based economy. The simple logic behind that is with more people comes more jobs.

    Further, with a greater influx of people from various parts of the world, demand for new services/ products not previously offered in the United States will even diversify demand, again more jobs.



    Any answer no, is the thinking of someone who doesn't understand economics.



    First of all 60 jobs, in the grand scheme of things is small, but consider that they might not have been stolen. Perhaps those jobs were created specifically for the experts from Japan. Companies like Rolls Royce do this all the time.

    Second of all, (and again) unemployment is not caused by immigration. In a service/ consumer based economy, unemployment is caused by robbing the purchasing class of their livelihood.

    To that end McDonalds, Wal-Mart and Union busting have done more damage to employment statistics than anyone.
    Yes it is. Yamato engines proves it. H1b proves it. More spouting of the morons.

    More demand comes from living wages. Ford knew this and paid enough to buy a car. When you "compete" with HUKU slaves, you buy /consume nothing. No home, no car. No vacation.

    Economics is explained in the book in my sig. And he agrees with me.

    thye were no experts from japan. they were 6th grade educated Mexicans, paid illegal wages, doing the jobs of AMericans.

    ;Union busting is the same as illegal immigration. Taking living wage jobs.

    Retailing has never been a good job. Manufacturing was. And it is gone. so people grasp at the straw of retail.

    Only hope there is to make all remaining **** service jobs in USA union by federal decree.
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