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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    This is about the only area, where I get all "flag wavy" and see the United States as that beacon of hope. The text on the Statue of Liberty has always struck a chord with me.
    Some prose at that makes you feel all giddy does not necessarily make good policy.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    With a fertility rate barely over 2, if you don't want the US population to stagnate, there had better be immigration.

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Some prose at that makes you feel all giddy does not necessarily make good policy.
    I feel giddy because it is good policy. . . which just so happens to align with "American" ideals.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Please explain the reasoning for your answer.
    Immigration has always been a substantial boon for our innovative sectors, making up as much as half of our talent in some fields, and even in less skilled demographics immigration is a substantial force behind our economy as well. Let's not forget this is a nation of immigrants.

    Unfortunately, such people are already starting to leave the US again, or cross it off their list of potential settling points. We aren't staying competitive in the majority of technical or lucrative fields, and there simply isn't as much opportunity here for the best and the brightest anymore. They can do just as well or better in their own countries, or some other developed nation.

    What a huge mistake that is can be demonstrated with an iPhone. Most people assume the money for iPhones basically goes to China. Not true. China just assembles it, for the most part. And they pay their workers nothing, so they don't really take a big cut.

    You know who gets a lot of money? Germany. They design and manufacture some of the parts. You know who gets almost no money? The US. We don't do stuff like that anymore.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    I think we should change our official language to Spanish, teach Spanish in schools, force all kids to read Don Quixote in Spanish before graduating high school and grant citizenship to any citizen of Mexico, Cuba or Canada just for applying.

    Let's face it. The United States culture sucks. Give me, give me, give me and give me more. I deserve it for three reasons. Number 1...... Well.... just give it to me. It's mine.

    A huge influx of Mexican immigrants could offer a positive influence on our culture. I think immigration standards could remain the same for other countries. I just think it should be as simple as filing out an one page form for Mexican, Cuban and Canadians to move into our country.

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I feel giddy because it is good policy.
    How so?

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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Anti-immigration attitudes come and go, but they have mostly been rather faulty in logic. I believe in acculturation, but I also believe in a healthy amount of immigrants coming into the country. Nativism is only useful for nationalistic pride, but it should never be so much part of the public policy of the U.S.
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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Yes. I still believe in this saying "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"


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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. I still believe in this saying "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
    Sure sure, but what about scientific data which may suggest that a healthy amount of immigration is actually beneficial? Xenophobia has a limited use and can be immensely detrimental to maintain our global hegemonic power, which is why true believers in it should never have power.
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    Re: Do you think the US should continue to allow immigration?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Anti-immigration attitudes come and go, but they have mostly been rather faulty in logic.
    I've got an anti-immigration attitude. Could you elaborate on why you would think that any of my logic is faulty? Point out a specific logical fallacy I've made or something. Let's discuss.

    Also anti-immigration attitudes should come and go. For instance, during a booming economy when there is a shortage in the labor force, allowing immigration is a good policy. However, at this point in time the exact opposite is true. There is no shortage of workers, there is a shortage of available jobs. We have a depressed economy and unemployment is rampant. Especially among young males in the 18-25 demographic.

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