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    Legal drinking age?

    The current legal age to purchase alcohol in each state is 21, some states ban consumption of alcohol by those under 21, while others allow it to be consumed with parental permission. Either way I think it should be lowered to 18. Nobody should be able to risk dying for this country and be denied a beer. If you think people are too immature at 18 to drink, they are too immature to join the military or handle weapons. Either we need to increase the age to join the military, or lower the drinking age.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Durin View Post
    The current legal age to purchase alcohol in each state is 21, some states ban consumption of alcohol by those under 21, while others allow it to be consumed with parental permission. Either way I think it should be lowered to 18. Nobody should be able to risk dying for this country and be denied a beer. If you think people are too immature at 18 to drink, they are too immature to join the military or handle weapons. Either we need to increase the age to join the military, or lower the drinking age.



    Quite simply wrong.

    Raising the drinking age to 21 lowered traffic accidents and related deaths all over the USA.

    No one is forced to join the USA's all-volunteer military.

    Allowing young people to drink alcohol is a totally unrelated issue which impacts everyone who uses our nation's highway's and roads.

    Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    It may or may not have. I think a lot of it was tougher laws against drunk driving. For me this is fundamentally a moral point. It is fundamentally unfair to expect young people to die for their country while denying them the privileges of adulthood. I am over 21 so this is not some kid griping about not being able to drink, this is an American citizen who has watched news stories of 18, 19 and 20 year old soldiers die in Iraq and Afghanistan, when they would be fined or even arrested for drinking a beer in their home country. Yes they volunteered, but it is still possible to draft 18-20 year olds if it is brought back.

    How many lives raising the drinking age saved or didn't save is not the point. If it is so important to have the drinking age be 21, then people are not mature enough to join the military and risk their life.

    This (and reckless expansion of the War on Drugs) were Reagan's two major faults, other than that he was a good president.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Quite simply wrong. Raising the drinking age to 21 lowered traffic accidents and related deaths all over the USA.
    Of course? Raising the drinking age to 99 would lower traffic accidents and death too. Or limiting the drinking age to 30 to 35 year olds? How about 14 for females (less risky) and 35 for males (more risky)? Defending the current 21 drinking as "lowered traffic accidents" is a completely arbitrary argument. Any cull of eligible drinkers would do the same.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Let the states decide. Each state knows its resources. If i had it my way though there would be no "drinking age"
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    I'm all for lowering the drinking age. Having lived in a country where the drinking age is 16 for beer/wine and 18 for hard liquor, it's amusing that Americans are so uptight about this.

    Society doesn't crumble when you let young adults vote and drink.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Of course? Raising the drinking age to 99 would lower traffic accidents and death too. Or limiting the drinking age to 30 to 35 year olds? How about 14 for females (less risky) and 35 for males (more risky)? Defending the current 21 drinking as "lowered traffic accidents" is a completely arbitrary argument. Any cull of eligible drinkers would do the same.
    You are right, we cannot eliminate all risk from society, short of introducing the death penalty for every minor infraction.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Quite simply wrong.

    Raising the drinking age to 21 lowered traffic accidents and related deaths all over the USA.

    No one is forced to join the USA's all-volunteer military.

    Allowing young people to drink alcohol is a totally unrelated issue which impacts everyone who uses our nation's highway's and roads.

    Case closed as far as I'm concerned.
    Pretty good points, but at the same time I think our laws are a little dogmatic about this and I think there is benefit to allowing young people to use alcohol in the supervision of responsible adults, or in some other regulated way. If an adult is essentially risking his career by allowing a minor to consume an alcoholic beverage, that is overkill. It causes kids to seek out ways to drink in less controlled, less safe and less responsible ways. If the only way kids can find a place to drink is to go to the neighborhood druggie's house, they'll be exposed to those drugs while disinhibited by alcohol. Girls end up impregnated or even raped (or both), kids end up driving to try to evade consequences, bla bla bla.

    I guess I'm saying I don't necessarily think the age needs to be changed, but I think the laws could stand to be flexed a little, i.e. decriminalizing youth/young adult alcohol consumption with the right precautions and supervision in place.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    In the end you will never drive alcohol out of our society. It has been a part of western society for 5000 years, and prohibition was a utopian scheme. If indeed we had little cultural heritage of alcohol I would in theory support banning it (being no libertarian) but just like marijuana it is too common, so it is a lost cause. So we have to live with alcohol. Part of that is that young people will naturally desire it, and if the law says it is totally forbidden until 21, how can they learn to grow into it responsibly?

    Yes they could obey the law, but they will not. Ultimately I think we need to reduce some of this taboo around alcohol and youth. We celebrate it so much in our culture then tell 18-20 year olds they can't have it. I think that by making it a forbidden fruit young people see it as "edgy" and thus feel they need to drink it in a party context. I never once saw any of my peers just sit down and enjoy a beer before 21, before 21 it was all about chugging as much as possible. Why? Because it was hard to get so if you had it you naturally wanted to use it in excess. We cannot teach young people to drink responsibly if it is totally taboo for an adult to share a beer with their kid until they are 21.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    I think that only people with Medicare should be allowed to drink alcohol.

    •Proven survival abilities
    •Alternative to pain meds
    •Already extremely nervous, cautious drivers who stay safely at 15 MPH under the speed limit. Not in your hurry.
    •Medicare ID card is instant proof of age

    I'm sure there are more reasons. I'm just trying to help.

    When I was growing up the drinking age was 18. Of course, I had fake ID and used it to go to bars. As soon as I turned 18, the thrill was gone and I realized it just made me miserable.

    I'm fine with 21 and giving military people special privileges. They might get shot at while you're home playing Angry Birds. Military ID is pretty distinct.

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