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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't see what part of what I posted suggested that I condone children drinking to excess and clearly, I would agree, there are some that are genetically predisposed to alcoholism, but we're talking minor percentages of the population. I'm not big on creating laws to punish the vast majority in order to save the few.

    And to be clear, I only indicated that I believe a parent providing their child with a glass of wine with dinner or a drink on special occasions - I did not suggest that parents should give their kids a bottle or free access to the liquor cabinet and then leave the room. I believe children learn good behaviour from their parent's example. I would much rather see a parent share some wine with dinner, involving them in an adult activity, than have the kid see mom and dad blotto or getting drunk and tipsy but telling their young adult kids they can't have any.
    Wine with dinner or on special occasions...is what I'm referring to. Kid's can justify anything. Ex: My parents let's me drink at home. My friend Johnny's parent's let him drink at home. Jim has invited Johnny and I to his house to hang out and play video games. His parent's don't mind if Jim drinks alcohol. Jim's parents aren't at home...he likes to drink beer...so we might drink better while playing video games. The phone rings at Jim's house while the guys are there playing video games and drinking beer. They get a call inviting them to a party at Jane's house...and of course no parents at the house...and there will be booze served.

    John, you live in a much more pristine world than I do. What parents do...in terms of good parenting...is great. But you and I both know that peer pressure is huge.

    If I told you that the next drink that you have will alter your life in a negative way forever...would you drink it?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Wine with dinner or on special occasions...is what I'm referring to. Kid's can justify anything. Ex: My parents let's me drink at home. My friend Johnny's parent's let him drink at home. Jim has invited Johnny and I to his house to hang out and play video games. His parent's don't mind if Jim drinks alcohol. Jim's parents aren't at home...he likes to drink beer...so we might drink better while playing video games. The phone rings at Jim's house while the guys are there playing video games and drinking beer. They get a call inviting them to a party at Jane's house...and of course no parents at the house...and there will be booze served.

    John, you live in a much more pristine world than I do. What parents do...in terms of good parenting...is great. But you and I both know that peer pressure is huge.

    If I told you that the next drink that you have will alter your life in a negative way forever...would you drink it?
    I'm not getting into an argument about the evils of alcohol. I simply stated that I believe smart, responsible parents help their children experience things in a safe environment and guide them in the dos and don'ts of that experience. Part of the parental introduction is a discussion about peer pressure and being their own person.

    I don't know how you leap from what I said to some teenage binge drunkorama of all the neighbourhood kids.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally agree, not a fun job.

    Maybe it would be better just to keep them off of the booze, eh?
    You really think the law is keeping them off the booze? It is making them abuse it more irresponsibly because it pushes it underground.

    No offense but your profile says you are in Europe. I am not sure where, having Lech Walesa as your avatar might suggest eastern Europe. I understand there is a big alcohol abuse problem there, but if you are from Europe how can you comment on the situation in the USA apart from some "statistics" about car wrecks that also reflect much tougher drunk driving laws for adults, and also increased auto safety. I grew up in the USA and I can tell you the 21 drinking age simply doesn't work. The only reason it still stands is so politicians can pander about "keeping kids safe" and because a lot of people really don't care much about it after they turn 21, but 80-90% of the people break the law.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not getting into an argument about the evils of alcohol. I simply stated that I believe smart, responsible parents help their children experience things in a safe environment and guide them in the dos and don'ts of that experience. Part of the parental introduction is a discussion about peer pressure and being their own person.

    I don't know how you leap from what I said to some teenage binge drunkorama of all the neighbourhood kids.
    I'm not making a statement about the evils of alcohol. I'm talking about human behavior. Since when do we live in a world where all parents who attempt to be good parents have children that will never bend to peer pressure and who will never do things that are outside of the law?

    I wasn't accusing you of anything, John. I'm merely pointing out that there is another side of the story, which is real.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I'm not making a statement about the evils of alcohol. I'm talking about human behavior. Since when do we live in a world where all parents who attempt to be good parents have children that will never bend to peer pressure and who will never do things that are outside of the law?

    I wasn't accusing you of anything, John. I'm merely pointing out that there is another side of the story, which is real.
    That's fair - I just believe it's better for children to learn about pitfalls in life from their parents than from their peers. If you ignore or avoid these things as parents, you're guaranteed to fail - if you attack them head on, you have a good chance of success, but not perfect success - children are people with their own complex minds, after all.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    responsible enough to die protecting a China copper mine in afganistan or oil in Iraq, responsible enough to drink.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    What does intoxication (altering one's mental state) and engaging in events such as war, which could be fatal, have in common?
    It doesn't matter if the two are or are not related.At 18 you are a legal adult.As a legal adult you should be able to drink alcohol.

    Certainly the two don't mix.
    Soldiers and marines 21 and over do not get to drink while engaging in war, so you bringing up an irrelevant point. They do get to drink when off duty unless they are on alert.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    I know that I'm not the first (in this thread even) to have this opining, but I feel that the drinking age rules should be eliminated.

    Not 21, not 25, not 18 or 16 either.

    Prohibition, of any sort, has never worked. If people want to drink, let them drink.

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    I think the drinking age should be 85 years old.

    At that age they have earned it.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Like a legal drinking age stops kids from getting their hands on alcohol, anyway. It never stopped me or anyone else I ever knew. It's ridiculous that you can die for your country in battle, get married, have kids, leave school, vote, secure employment and drive a car, but you can't have a pint. Completely absurd.

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