View Poll Results: What should the legal drinking age be?

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  • Bring back Prohibition.

    4 3.28%
  • Older than 21. Raise it even higher!

    3 2.46%
  • Leave it at 21 (in the USA).

    23 18.85%
  • 20

    3 2.46%
  • 19

    7 5.74%
  • 18

    54 44.26%
  • 17

    3 2.46%
  • 16

    4 3.28%
  • Below 16.

    4 3.28%
  • Other (please explain).

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Thread: Legal drinking age?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So you think that his fellow teenagers are more likely to be an example to my child of moderation and maturity than I am?



    Agreed.



    I have never claimed so - in fact, I am agreeing with you that teenagers have a tendency to do what mommy and daddy tell them not to do. SO, if that includes "Don't Touch Alcohol", then they are going to go out and have a great time touching as much alcohol as they can. You have made getting drunk more attractive to them through your policy, not less.



    I don't have a problem with it, and since - as you point out - my child is pretty much guaranteed to run into it, I intend to make sure that I do what I can to see that he doesn't have a problem with it, either. I think, given that - as you point out - my child is pretty much guaranteed to run into it, not doing so in the vain hope that either he will obey the charge to never touch the stuff or learn how to do so responsibly from fellow stupid teengers is what is stupid. Teenagers are in greater actual danger from stupid decisions involving cars. That doesn't mean that I am going to foolishly forbid my teenager to learn to drive or get into cars, it means I'm going to invest the time and effort into ensuring that he learns how to drive well and safely.

    If you are a recovering alcoholic and that colors your analysis, then I am truly sorry, and I truly wish you only the very best of success in your recovery. But that does not mean that everyone or even the majority or even a large minority of people who drink will become addicts.
    Cpwill. I don't want to get into these really long posting sparring wars with you. Let's try to keep it short and sweet and to the point please.

    First of all, I have no problem with alcohol. Why you would insinuate such a thing I don't know. Again, the thread is NOT about me. Please try to control yourself and NOT make it personal.

    Secondly, YOU are fooling yourself if you think you can have any control over an addictive substance once you've introduced it into your child's life and system. Even doctors cannot control their patients many times with carefully prescribed dosages of addictive substances. You are just playing with fire.

    That's all I have to say on the matter. I've stated my opinions. I've backed them with very good links to some very good data, and anything else from here on out is just tit-for-tat and doesn't mean anything, so we can just agree to disagree.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    First of all, I have no problem with alcohol.
    I am glad to hear it.

    Why you would insinuate such a thing I don't know.
    You assume it is addictive and poisonous for all who come into contact with it and describe a "moment of realization" in your late twenties that certainly sounded like a decision to walk away from alcohol addiction. that's all. I'm glad to hear that you do not suffer in such a manner .

    Secondly, YOU are fooling yourself if you think you can have any control over an addictive substance once you've introduced it into your child's life and system.
    Control? No, I wouldn't seek to control. I seek to guide my children, and in doing so, I intend to teach them how to do adult things, like drive a car, hold a job, conduct finances, handle firearms, drink alcohol, interact with other adults, so on and so forth. Nor is my child likely to become an alcoholic because I let him drink a beer or a mixed drink with me. In fact, it is almost medically impossible for that to occur, and the claim that it will is hysterical hyerpole.

    Having observed a large number of people in these years drinking, in fact, I can go ahead and tell you that those who engage in the worst self-destruction are usually those reacting against the strongest denial in their growing up years.

    That's all I have to say on the matter. I've stated my opinions. I've backed them with very good links to some very good data, and anything else from here on out is just tit-for-tat and doesn't mean anything, so we can just agree to disagree.
    I have yet to see you explain how learning about how to drink from idiot teenagers is superior from learning about alcohol from your parents, or anything to back that up. You have successfully demonstrated that teenagers make stupid decisions, which if anything makes it more important that I ensure that they learn about alcohol from me rather than their friends.

    But if you want to end it that's fine. Have a good day.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I am glad to hear it.



    You assume it is addictive and poisonous for all who come into contact with it and describe a "moment of realization" in your late twenties that certainly sounded like a decision to walk away from alcohol addiction. that's all. I'm glad to hear that you do not suffer in such a manner .



    Control? No, I wouldn't seek to control. I seek to guide my children, and in doing so, I intend to teach them how to do adult things, like drive a car, hold a job, conduct finances, handle firearms, drink alcohol, interact with other adults, so on and so forth. Nor is my child likely to become an alcoholic because I let him drink a beer or a mixed drink with me. In fact, it is almost medically impossible for that to occur, and the claim that it will is hysterical hyerpole.

    Having observed a large number of people in these years drinking, in fact, I can go ahead and tell you that those who engage in the worst self-destruction are usually those reacting against the strongest denial in their growing up years.



    I have yet to see you explain how learning about how to drink from idiot teenagers is superior from learning about alcohol from your parents, or anything to back that up. You have successfully demonstrated that teenagers make stupid decisions, which if anything makes it more important that I ensure that they learn about alcohol from me rather than their friends.

    But if you want to end it that's fine. Have a good day.
    Drinking alcohol is an activity that should be discouraged. There are really no benefits.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Physics is Phun

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Drinking alcohol is an activity that should be discouraged.
    if you want to believe that that's fine. I heartily disagree - wine in particular is a fine thing that would be a disaster to lose.


    There are really no benefits.
    Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers. In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer strokes, diabetes, arthritis, enlarged prostate, dementia (including Alzheimer's disease), and several major cancers....



    However, I also think that, regardless of my own opinion on prohibition, that my children will drink. Thus I want to set them up to do so in the best and wisest manner possible.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    This was the belief of the southern conservative KKK in the 1920s..
    The KKK hated Northern city Catholics and was against the immigration of Eastern and Southern Europeans..

    Prohibition indirectly gave us the MOB..

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Drinking alcohol is an activity that should be discouraged. There are really no benefits.
    And then the MOB took out the KKK in the 1960s..
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Under 21 if under parental supervision, or with military ID.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if you want to believe that that's fine. I heartily disagree - wine in particular is a fine thing that would be a disaster to lose.



    Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers. In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer strokes, diabetes, arthritis, enlarged prostate, dementia (including Alzheimer's disease), and several major cancers....



    However, I also think that, regardless of my own opinion on prohibition, that my children will drink. Thus I want to set them up to do so in the best and wisest manner possible.
    LOL! Like I said earlier in the thread, that is your last resort argument, that it's nutritious. There are PLENTY of other sources of nutrition. Alcohol is not a necessity.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This was the belief of the southern conservative KKK in the 1920s..
    The KKK hated Northern city Catholics and was against the immigration of Eastern and Southern Europeans..

    Prohibition indirectly gave us the MOB..



    And then the MOB took out the KKK in the 1960s..
    I wouldn't even dignify this ridiculous post with a response.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    No one is talking about banning alcohol mo's. I'm talking about not lowering and perhaps raising the drinking age. A lot of adults can't handle their alcohol. What kind of tard would think children could?

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