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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Adult is an arbitrary term of course, silly. I would rather err on the side of caution and raise the age rather than lower it when MOST are not anywhere near being adults or even adult-like in their behaviors and emotional levels. LOL! Were you guys EVER teenagers?
    I was a mature teenager. I was helping raise my siblings as a teenager and then I joined the Navy.

    If you do not give them a chance to act like adults, be treated like adults, then they will never become adults. Maturity in our behavior and emotional levels doesn't magically develop. It comes with experience. Those experiences cannot be garnered without allowing teenagers to have those experiences.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure they are. And I hope they do - I have had many good times hanging out with my friends when we drank together, and intend to have many more before my life is over. But I want them to be able to do so without self-destruction; but that requires some education and experience. I want them to get that in a safer environment so that A) alcohol isn't the oh-my-gosh-hell-yeah-live-dangerously venue that it is for teens who are coming to it from the stance that it is verbodden and B) they actually start off by learning about good alcohol, and how to enjoy it, rather than bad alcohol and how to consume it en masse.



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    Did your parents teach you how to drink responsibly long before you started off on your own?
    The thread is not about me, so I'm not going to answer your personal questions. However, it's quite obvious that you are oblivious to how teens behave and what drives them. I understand them VERY well.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You see, teens are at that age where they are learning to become independent. They are pushing ALL of your buttons, and testing all the limits. It's natural. I don't blame them for it. It's cutting the apron strings so to speak. Many, many, many teens behave just like that. If you don't think so, you are just in denial.
    I helped raise my siblings. I know how teens act. But you still have to allow for experiences to happen for them to learn from those and mature from those things. You have to start treating them like adults if you expect them to be able to act like adults at whatever the age of majority is, or they will never actually reach that desired "adult" maturity level.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was a mature teenager. I was helping raise my siblings as a teenager and then I joined the Navy.

    If you do not give them a chance to act like adults, be treated like adults, then they will never become adults. Maturity in our behavior and emotional levels doesn't magically develop. It comes with experience. Those experiences cannot be garnered without allowing teenagers to have those experiences.
    No, some are too immature to be adults. I know this from experience. I can remember when clarity came to me one day. I was well into my late 20s. Most typical teens are like I was. They take risks, they defy their parents, they don't think before they act a lot of times, etc., etc.

    Some people also have to learn their lessons the hard way. That is so much more than a cliche. It is absolute truth. Some kids you can teach and teach until you are blue in the face, but they have to learn the hard way, and I'd rather that maybe alcohol not be involved. That can turn a plain stupid decision into a deadly one.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I helped raise my siblings. I know how teens act. But you still have to allow for experiences to happen for them to learn from those and mature from those things. You have to start treating them like adults if you expect them to be able to act like adults at whatever the age of majority is, or they will never actually reach that desired "adult" maturity level.
    I'm sorry, but if you believe this, you are foolish. For many teens, the world still revolves around them. They are just incapable of being an adult yet.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The thread is not about me, so I'm not going to answer your personal questions. However, it's quite obvious that you are oblivious to how teens behave and what drives them. I understand them VERY well.
    good for you. Myself, I spent 8 years of my life directly supervising (and living with) all-told probably more than a hundred 18-20 year olds who drank regularly, in a variety of circumstances and countries from the extreme party scene (and I sincerely doubt that you have partied like infantry Marines getting stupid. People have actually died and buildings have been set on fire) to the hanging-around-and-having-a-beer bar b que. But I'm sure that you remembering 20 years ago when you were a teenager gives you a lot of insight that other people who were also teenagers at one point don't have.

    I rarely say this about a social issue; but roguenuke is right. If you treat alcohol like some kind of forbidden fruit that they must never touch... teens will grab it as hard as they can as soon as they think your back is turned. If it's not such a big deal then it's not such a big deal.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, some are too immature to be adults. I know this from experience. I can remember when clarity came to me one day. I was well into my late 20s. Most typical teens are like I was. They take risks, they defy their parents, they don't think before they act a lot of times, etc., etc.
    Yes, teens take risks in defying their parents - now consider what that means when you change the math so that drinking alcohol didn't count as defying a parent? Suddenly getting smashed as stupidly as you can isn't as cool as it once was.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes, teens take risks in defying their parents - now consider what that means when you change the math so that drinking alcohol didn't count as defying a parent? Suddenly getting smashed as stupidly as you can isn't as cool as it once was.
    The fact that alcohol is an addictive substance and gets you "high" kind of negates your statement.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sorry, but if you believe this, you are foolish. For many teens, the world still revolves around them. They are just incapable of being an adult yet.
    I think you simply want to believe that most teens are immature and selfish. While there is a certain amount of both these things in most teens, that doesn't mean that is what makes teens who they are. Plenty of teenagers out there think of others, show plenty of maturity, and can be responsibly. Most of those that I hung out with in high school would not go to parties or drink and drive nor could they really even be called selfish. There are lots of teens out there who are more than capable of making responsible decisions. And I worked with plenty once I joined the Navy that were quite mature. Heck, the majority of those in my school were under 21 (considering the age cutoff for starting my job was 25) and we learned to operate nuclear reactors and started doing it prior to turning 21 (I was personally operating equipment for one and inside one more than almost 2 years prior to turning 21, and I wasn't the only one). So don't tell me 18-20 year olds can't be mature.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, some are too immature to be adults. I know this from experience. I can remember when clarity came to me one day. I was well into my late 20s. Most typical teens are like I was. They take risks, they defy their parents, they don't think before they act a lot of times, etc., etc.

    Some people also have to learn their lessons the hard way. That is so much more than a cliche. It is absolute truth. Some kids you can teach and teach until you are blue in the face, but they have to learn the hard way, and I'd rather that maybe alcohol not be involved. That can turn a plain stupid decision into a deadly one.
    Some are, but they will never gain that maturity without opportunities to gain experience, to learn, especially from their mistakes.
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