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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, again, this is NOT Candy Land. Teens are going to drink with their friends at unsupervised parties. My God!!!
    Not all teens. And that is where untying parents' hands comes in too. Allowing parents to feel that they can decide whether or not their children can drink in their homes or in the home of an adult they trust rather than the law deciding is much more likely to allow parents to better teach their children to drink responsibly.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, in other words, unless they learn how to drink at home, they will be learning how to drink at unsupervised teen parties? And you think that the second is preferable to the first?
    Lol! I'm saying that regardless of what you teach them at home, they are going to go out and drink with their friends. Gosh, so naive! If you had been my parent when I was a teen, I would have OWNED you!

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wait. Are you suggesting that 18-20 year olds are less mature and have less well-developed self-control mechanisms than 21-30 year olds?
    So, Chris - justs to be clear: You are saying this?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Legally schmeagally. Like I said, the latest scientific data shows they are not adults.
    Which would make "adult" an arbitrary word with no real set point. Some people would never be adults if it was based on research data, and others would be adults at much younger ages, even than 18.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all teens. And that is where untying parents' hands comes in too. Allowing parents to feel that they can decide whether or not their children can drink in their homes or in the home of an adult they trust rather than the law deciding is much more likely to allow parents to better teach their children to drink responsibly.
    God, wake up and look around will you?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which would make "adult" an arbitrary word with no real set point. Some people would never be adults if it was based on research data, and others would be adults at much younger ages, even than 18.
    Adult is an arbitrary term of course, silly. I would rather err on the side of caution and raise the age rather than lower it when MOST are not anywhere near being adults or even adult-like in their behaviors and emotional levels. LOL! Were you guys EVER teenagers?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Kids are still going to do this. Most parents teach their children to not drink and drive, but the kids do it anyway. That is what kids do when they are teens too, they defy their parents. It's a natural part of growing up, which also shows that they are NOT grown ups yet.
    Adults drink and drive, some even after facing serious consequences for it. But not all. Not all kids or teens are the same. You seem to be set in this stereotype of teenage behavior. Not all teens act like they do on TV or in movies. Not all attend mass blowout parties where everyone is getting drunk and rowdy and making horrible decisions.

    But it is more likely that kids will defy parents who put the most stringent restrictions on them, because they have more reason to want to experience what they feel they are missing out on.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol! I'm saying that regardless of what you teach them at home, they are going to go out and drink with their friends
    Sure they are. And I hope they do - I have had many good times hanging out with my friends when we drank together, and intend to have many more before my life is over. But I want them to be able to do so without self-destruction; but that requires some education and experience. I want them to get that in a safer environment so that A) alcohol isn't the oh-my-gosh-hell-yeah-live-dangerously venue that it is for teens who are coming to it from the stance that it is verbodden and B) they actually start off by learning about good alcohol, and how to enjoy it, rather than bad alcohol and how to consume it en masse.

    Gosh, so naive!
    I have partied in the red-light district of Bangkok. "naive" is not something I get to claim anymore.

    If you had been my parent when I was a teen, I would have OWNED you!
    Did your parents teach you how to drink responsibly long before you started off on your own?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Adults drink and drive, some even after facing serious consequences for it. But not all. Not all kids or teens are the same. You seem to be set in this stereotype of teenage behavior. Not all teens act like they do on TV or in movies. Not all attend mass blowout parties where everyone is getting drunk and rowdy and making horrible decisions.

    But it is more likely that kids will defy parents who put the most stringent restrictions on them, because they have more reason to want to experience what they feel they are missing out on.
    You see, teens are at that age where they are learning to become independent. They are pushing ALL of your buttons, and testing all the limits. It's natural. I don't blame them for it. It's cutting the apron strings so to speak. Many, many, many teens behave just like that. If you don't think so, you are just in denial.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    when MOST are not anywhere near being adults or even adult-like in their behaviors and emotional levels. LOL! Were you guys EVER teenagers?
    Wait, again, just to be clear. You are stating that most 18-20 year olds are nowhere near being adult-like in their behaviors and emotional levels?

    I ask because the last time that very same fact was pointed out to you, you rejected the argument that you are now presenting.
    Last edited by cpwill; 12-29-13 at 02:28 PM.

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