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Thread: Legal drinking age?

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    If you wanted to teach responsible drinking young (rather then encouraging illegal binge drinking among the under aged) you could lower the age to 14 but with a licence which they would lose for the smallest drink related offense (E.G even if they pass out in the street without endangering anyone else, or are too noisy etc). This will create peer pressure to drink responsibly. Which teenager would want to be the only person in their peer group not allowed in a bar? Treat people like adults and they will respond in kind, infantalising 18-21 year olds has only made the problem worse.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I simply know that it is better to teach through example or at least with a longer leash than it is to tell teens that they can't drink at all, up til they reach an age where they are already on their own. Most teens by 21 are in college or at least out of the house. It is much harder to teach someone who is not fully mature how to drink responsibly when you are no longer a major influence in their learning processes.
    This is not true at ALL in a lot of cases. I knew plenty of kids who's parents allowed them to drink and do drugs, and they got into loads of trouble, and one of my girlfriends was killed in a car accident at 15 years old while a passenger in the car of another teen who was drunk. They hit a pole and snapped it right in half. They were going probably 60 miles per hour and they were all drunk and partying it up. I'm just lucky I wasn't in that car.

    I hung out with a LOT of partiers in high school, and I know what I'm talking about. When teenagers drink, they become completely out of control in most instances.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree with raising the age across the board. Why so many people FIGHT against that, I have no clue. Whether they like it or not, children today are NOT like they were 50 or 100 years ago. With advancements in technology, life has become easier, and that is reflected in the fact that children remain children for much longer than in the past because there is no NEED to hurry up and become an adult and start a family, and drinking and things like that a lot of times will interfere in their development.

    That statistics show that teens and young adults are the most risky group when it comes to car accidents to an incredible degree. They make up less than 10% of the driving population yet are responsible for more than 30% of all car accidents. I can't see those numbers improving when you add alcohol.
    Adding alcohol to inexperienced drivers is definitely a bad idea.
    As for the incidence of accidents among teens, it does make one wonder whether teens have more accidents because they are teens, or because they are the least experienced drivers. I'm not sure we know the answer to that question right now. It's possible that, should the driving age be raised to 21 (causing huge inconvenience for parents and teens alike) it still would be the most youthful drivers having the most accidents.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Well you're a plethora of information...where were you 25 years ago when I needed ya...
    In grade school.

    Although, I had already sipped my first beer by then. I grew up in backwoods NC. I remember my first taste of beer. I was 4 and it was while sitting in the lap of my grandfather's friend, in the front seat of my grandfather's truck (no seatbelts or any safety devices for that matter). I think we were parked at a gas station, but there had definitely been open beer in the truck while driving (my grandfather never drank around us though, if he ever drank at all after my mother told him that if he ever wanted to see his grandchildren, he would not be drunk/drinking in front of us because he drank heavily before that). I took a sip from the proffered can and promptly spit it out the window. I can very vividly remember thinking that beer was the worst tasting thing on the planet.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Adding alcohol to inexperienced drivers is definitely a bad idea.
    As for the incidence of accidents among teens, it does make one wonder whether teens have more accidents because they are teens, or because they are the least experienced drivers. I'm not sure we know the answer to that question right now. It's possible that, should the driving age be raised to 21 (causing huge inconvenience for parents and teens alike) it still would be the most youthful drivers having the most accidents.
    I think it's both. To deny that teen behavior is more risky than adults means you must be wearing blinders though. They are NOT adults. Far from it. Anyone with any kind of experience with typical American teenagers knows this. We aren't talking about your 1 out of 10 nerd kids who's world revolves around school and getting good grades who would drink responsibly and probably never get behind the wheel if they had too many. We are talking about the MAJORITY of teens and how they behave. Those are the guidelines we have to go by because it is impossible to test everyone's maturity level.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is not true at ALL in a lot of cases. I knew plenty of kids who's parents allowed them to drink and do drugs, and they got into loads of trouble, and one of my girlfriends was killed in a car accident at 15 years old while a passenger in the car of another teen who was drunk. They hit a pole and snapped it right in half. They were going probably 60 miles per hour and they were all drunk and partying it up. I'm just lucky I wasn't in that car.

    I hung out with a LOT of partiers in high school, and I know what I'm talking about. When teenagers drink, they become completely out of control in most instances.
    If they are being allowed to do drugs as well, then it isn't likely that they are being taught to drink responsibly but rather being given free rein over their decisions. Bad idea. There is a difference between being allowed to teach your children to drink responsibly and just letting them run wild. Parents who would be most likely to teach their children to drink responsibly are also the ones most likely to obey the law and not allow them access to alcohol, hoping that talking about it would do the job. Those who aren't going to teach their children to drink responsibly aren't likely to care if they are breaking the law about it either.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If they are being allowed to do drugs as well, then it isn't likely that they are being taught to drink responsibly but rather being given free rein over their decisions. Bad idea. There is a difference between being allowed to teach your children to drink responsibly and just letting them run wild. Parents who would be most likely to teach their children to drink responsibly are also the ones most likely to obey the law and not allow them access to alcohol, hoping that talking about it would do the job. Those who aren't going to teach their children to drink responsibly aren't likely to care if they are breaking the law about it either.
    Look, this is a pipe dream. MOST parents are not about teaching their kids to DRINK at all. Why would you want to introduce that into your young child's life to begin with? Some people are genetically predisposed to have addictive personalities. It doesn't matter how much you TEACH them.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look, this is a pipe dream. MOST parents are not about teaching their kids to DRINK at all. Why would you want to introduce that into your young child's life to begin with? Some people are genetically predisposed to have addictive personalities. It doesn't matter how much you TEACH them.
    My parents taught me to drink responsibly. I was allowed to drink wine coolers at 17. I was restricted to drinking them under supervision of an adult my parents trusted. I was limited in how many I could have. My siblings and I should have all the genetic predisposition for alcoholism, since both my grandfathers were alcoholics, and many of my uncles were (all but the mentally disabled one in fact). My father only avoided alcohol while he was married to my mom after coming home drunk one night before I was born and being left passed out in the living room. The next morning, he asked what she would have done had it been the front lawn, and she said she would have left him there too. It scared him into not drinking. None of us are alcoholics.
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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My parents taught me to drink responsibly. I was allowed to drink wine coolers at 17. I was restricted to drinking them under supervision of an adult my parents trusted. I was limited in how many I could have. My siblings and I should have all the genetic predisposition for alcoholism, since both my grandfathers were alcoholics, and many of my uncles were (all but the mentally disabled one in fact). My father only avoided alcohol while he was married to my mom after coming home drunk one night before I was born and being left passed out in the living room. The next morning, he asked what she would have done had it been the front lawn, and she said she would have left him there too. It scared him into not drinking. None of us are alcoholics.
    My father was a severe alcoholic who drank himself to death literally.

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    Re: Legal drinking age?

    Lowering the drinking age does absolutely NOTHING to help society. In fact, it has much more potential to make things worse. Why anyone would support that is beyond my comprehension.

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