Is this Sexual harrassment?

Gipper said:

All touching and speaking is inappropriate if she's a bitch.

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I'd say that depends on who is doing the touching, speaking or whatever. I've seen several women go from sweetheart to stone cold bitch just by meeting an ignorant prick.

But in all fairness I can see, by your posts, how you'd hold your opinion- most women must seem like bitches to you... :mrgreen:

Hold on to TGND, she is literally one in a million.... eace

soot said:

I don't think the conclusion you reach follows logically from what (little) else we know of the kids behavior. He could have been disciplined in the past for any number of things that don't preclude his being a "sweet, affectionate boy". Maybe he had poor grades. He's a jock. "Dumb jocks" aren't unheard of. Maybe he was disruptive in class in a sweet and affectionate way (hitting on girls (his own age) or chatting with his teammates when he should have been sitting quietly with his mouth shut). I'm just spit balling but there are literally any number of infractions that could have resulted in him being disciplined that would lead one to question his sweetness toward or affection for other people. Of course, the kid could also be a raging, violent, misogynistic asshole, or anywhere in between - we just don't know.

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The very fact he has been disciplined and suspended for lengthy intervals,(whatever that is), is all we need to know. Doesn't matter what the other suspensions were for. Does it matter what other crimes a defendant was convicted of in the three strikes rule?

Fact is he has had multiple suspensions and should have known better. I think any flat footed person would see a hug from behind with his face buried in her neck- her reaction of a firm push-off was not a friendly hug. Who does that to an adult teacher???!!!!

I'd opine 99% of all sexual harassment can have defenders claiming just that, "Oh he is just REAL affectionate, he constantly pins girls against the lockers to give them hugs to 'brighten' their day!" :roll:

If we are spinning tales then about dumb jocks then perhaps he thinks because he is a jock he can get away with crap the rest of us mortals can't.

But bottom line is after multiple suspensions it is silly to think he can just continue on without escalating consequences.

laska said:

It's Utah Valley University in Orem, UT. I used to live right across the street. It does look like a mall.

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The circumstances between the two are completely different. It doesn't even make sense to compare the two. :roll:

Just joking. Didn't mean for it to be taken seriously.

earthworm said:

When hugging becomes a crime
and when we have zero tolerance
I am from a much happier time
The 50s, we had problems, real problems..
But not this sick extremism....hatred and fear...of what ??

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students who believe it is OK to approach a female teacher from behind and embrace her - against her previously expressed wishes

students who insist on expressing their fondness for an authority figure physically, despite having been told not to do so

there is legitimate reason to fear those students, because if they are willing to defy the expressed rules with such an authority figure, what is going to prevent them from similarly being fresh with female peers who do not want that embrace or young girls who should not be subjected to such harassment. this fellow does not accept that when a female says "NO" that it is not acceptable to be forward. he, and others like him, need to learn that lesson; otherwise he remains a menace to female society

justabubba said:

students who believe it is OK to approach a female teacher from behind and embrace her - against her previously expressed wishes

students who insist on expressing their fondness for an authority figure physically, despite having been told not to do so

there is legitimate reason to fear those students, because if they are willing to defy the expressed rules with such an authority figure, what is going to prevent them from similarly being fresh with female peers who do not want that embrace or young girls who should not be subjected to such harassment. this fellow does not accept that when a female says "NO" that it is not acceptable to be forward. he, and others like him, need to learn that lesson; otherwise he remains a menace to female society

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dude is date rape, rape or sexual assault waiting to happen.

I know that as a male teacher I have a zero contact policy. One time this 14 year old girl was excited in class and gave me a hug. My hands shot straight up like I was under the scope of cops just wanting me to pull a gun and I said "I am not hugging back" so other students could hear and they laughed. The girl felt bad at first and asked if I did that to protect myself and I said yes. It was not sexual harassment to me from her and she is a really sweet kid. Great student. We talked about it so that she would feel good about it but it is tough for teachers...

Bodhisattva said:

I know that as a male teacher I have a zero contact policy. One time this 14 year old girl was excited in class and gave me a hug. My hands shot straight up like I was under the scope of cops just wanting me to pull a gun and I said "I am not hugging back" so other students could hear and they laughed. The girl felt bad at first and asked if I did that to protect myself and I said yes. It was not sexual harassment to me from her and she is a really sweet kid. Great student. We talked about it so that she would feel good about it but it is tough for teachers...

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the sad part is that many of these kids today are starved for positive attention from a "father figure". Even sadder is that you cannot provide it without being viewed as or accused of being a pervert. Lots of these kids don't have fathers or the father is an absentee or just a piece of crap and they really need that.

OscarB63 said:

the sad part is that many of these kids today are starved for positive attention from a "father figure". Even sadder is that you cannot provide it without being viewed as or accused of being a pervert. Lots of these kids don't have fathers or the father is an absentee or just a piece of crap and they really need that.

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That is what we have allowed progressive policies take us to:

"Don't paddle my kid"

"don't discipline my kid"

no touching even among youngsters

no dodge ball in PE because the weaker under developed kids have no chance

Never hold the parents accountable for their childs behavior


When I was in high school I came to school with a deer rifle in my truck during deer season and a shotgun during dove season. It never left the vehicle and there always ammo in there as well. At any given time there were probaly 20-30 guns in the parking lot but no one was shot or hurt.

Society has taken a dark turn where it is all about money, liability, and fear. It is not getting better, only getting worse.

OscarB63 said:

I once had a student (one of my football players) embrace me from behind. without even thinking about it, I had flipped him over my shoulder and had him on the floor with my knee in his throat. scared the living **** out of the kid and I immediately apologized and helped him up. worked out good for me in the long run. word got around, better not mess with Coach B or he will **** you up.

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I'm not touching you I'm not touching you

OscarB63 said:

the sad part is that many of these kids today are starved for positive attention from a "father figure". Even sadder is that you cannot provide it without being viewed as or accused of being a pervert. Lots of these kids don't have fathers or the father is an absentee or just a piece of crap and they really need that.

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And kids toss around the term "pedo" (pedophile) pretty easily.