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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dumping tea, boycotting, and attacking the wealthy brits would be considered terrorism. Picture this the British denying rights to the colonists (The white dominated South African gov(Afrikaners)) oppressing the Black South Africans), and the Colonists (the black South Africans (AKA ANC)) rebelling against them by almost all means.


    Hmm imagine that i think you get the picture from my above said statement.


    What does this have anything to do with South Africa?
    Are you moving the goal posts again?



    It's all about revolution and getting rid of oppression.

    The USA had George Washington and the Blacks in South Africa had Nelson Mandela.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    For those who call him a terrorist, it would be interesting to see some substantiation for this claim, other than throwing out terms that only serve a very dishonest agenda.

    Terrorism involves the targeting of innocent civilians who are chosen BECAUSE they are random individuals, and perpetrated in order to instill the sort of fear in a general population as to achieve a desired political end. Could somebody please list the terrorist activities in which Mandela engaged or promoted?
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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    I voted other, since I hear mixed things about him and I'm not really too sure what to think yet.



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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    That's just one of the reasons that Mandela was so incredibly special. From very early on in his llife he made clear his determination to champion equality for all of the people of South Africa. He didn't just sit back and turn a blind eye because he was in a better position than many others. Mandela's priority was ending Apartheid and he devoted his life to it.
    His vision was a desire for his fellow citizens to be able to live in a country where everybody is equal, rich or poor, black or white, able or disable
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    Martin Luther King, Jr., RIP, fought and died for the same things in the USA.

    And like Mandela, King is applauded by most people and condemned by a few.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    He was victorious, and was therefore a freedom fighter. When you lose, you're a terrorist, because the other side is writing the history books. That's pretty much the difference.



    The victors do write most of the history books, eh?

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Durin View Post
    He was a little of both. He certainly was not a completely non-violent man, so if that is the sort of person you admire he is not up there with Gandhi or MLK, who has been compared to. In the end though he believed his actions were justified, because after all he lived in a society where the white minority actively oppressed blacks and prevented them from having a political voice. He had no option to vote down Apartheid, the only options he had were 1) convince whites that the morality of the situation outweighs their self-interest and abolish it within their electoral system 2) go the Gandhi route and only use non-violent civil disobedience and 3) use violence. He did a combination of 2 and 3.

    Should he have used violence? I'm not sure. I believe it is only justified if no other solutions are possible and you live under such repression that there is absolutely no democratic option to change things you do not like. Morally you cannot criticize Mandela and also say that the founding fathers of the USA were justified, because in the end they did the exact same thing. I myself, in spite of being a patriotic American, don't think revolution was necessarily the only solution at the time and I think had they failed we would probably be a commonwealth realm with self-government. Even so what happened happpened and I support my country.
    In the same way I think Mandela could have theoretically ended Apartheid without any of the violence the way Gandhi drove the British out of India, either way we should just be glad it ended.



    Great post.

    You summed it all up well.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I use to read some of Nelson Mandela's columns he use to write and were published mostly in South African newspapers. I searched for the one Mandela wrote two or three years ago. But with Nelsons death, in the past couple of weeks there been so much posted on the internet, tens of thousands I can't find the one I was looking for.

    But Mandela's column was about him addressing all of the violence and racism there is in South Africa today. More today than when he was released from prison in 1990. And Mandela admitted it.

    But what I had a problem with was Mandela almost sounded like Obama. Instead of Mandela blaming the NAC government for what went wrong in South Africa, he blamed apartheid, like how Obama always blamed Bush for everything. A sign of a narcissist. Aparthied ended over twenty years ago !

    Maybe if Mandela would have served two terms as President things would have been different today in South Africa ???

    The problems in South Africa today aren't Mandela's fault but the NAC fault. If the NAC even moves a few inches to the left, South Africa will become another Zimbabwe.


    But if I do find that column, I'll post it. Kinda enjoying reading all of the South Africa forums. They look at things differently.



    South Africa has some problems now and it will likely have problems in the future, but it will never become another Zimbabwe and it can thank Mandela for that.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In the light of Nelson Mandela's death, was Nelson Mandela a freedom fighter or a terrorist? Or "other" (please explain)?
    Sometimes fighting for freedom will get you labeled a terrorist. The man was both.
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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Before 1965 the vast majority of Americans be they Democrats or Republicans were nationalist. Patriotic Americans, America first.

    Those who weren't nationalist in America were either Communist Party USA, Marxist, anarchist, the New Left or internationalist socialist.

    Do you know who Francis Bellamy was ? He was a socialist. Was he an internationalist socialist or a nationalist socialist ?

    He wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.

    And before 1942 every morning all across America in every classroom this took place.






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    I remember that. I was one of those patriotic kids.

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