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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Serenity, make up your mind, was Mandela a "remarkable man" or an "ordinary" man ?
    What an idiotic response to my post. You know exactly what i mean. Still, i would expect nothing less from you, at least your consistent.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In the light of Nelson Mandela's death, was Nelson Mandela a freedom fighter or a terrorist? Or "other" (please explain)?
    He's a freedom fighters because I believe his goals and his enemy allowed for the tactics he used. Though I wish you hadn't resurrected this, the crazies are going to come out of the woodworks again.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    I voted other, since I hear mixed things about him and I'm not really too sure what to think yet.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    What an idiotic response to my post. You know exactly what i mean. Still, i would expect nothing less from you, at least your consistent.
    Well I'll enlighten you.
    Nelson Mandela was not an ordinary South African be he black or white. He was smart, well educated and even practiced law. Not an ordinary South African during the 1950's and 60's.

    But then again, Che Guevara wasn't an ordinary man, well educated attending University of Buenos Aires and becoming a doctor before resorting to terrorism, leftist like to call him a freedom fighter.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    anybody can claim or be named a freedom fighter, it is up to the people who are affected by the actions of the person to decide. In this case the people of South Africa have rallied around him and he unified a country. In the cases of other "freedom fighters" such as bin Laden, he was able to secure the blessings of few, but 99% of Islam did not feel the same way. That is the difference. While obviously not every South African loves Mandela, it is surely easier to find a Mandela lover than a bin Laden lover in their home territory.
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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Well I'll enlighten you.
    Nelson Mandela was not an ordinary South African be he black or white. He was smart, well educated and even practiced law. Not an ordinary South African during the 1950's and 60's.
    That's just one of the reasons that Mandela was so incredibly special. From very early on in his llife he made clear his determination to champion equality for all of the people of South Africa. He didn't just sit back and turn a blind eye because he was in a better position than many others. Mandela's priority was ending Apartheid and he devoted his life to it. His vision was a desire for his fellow citizens to be able to live in a country where everybody is equal, rich or poor, black or white, able or disabled.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    He was victorious, and was therefore a freedom fighter. When you lose, you're a terrorist, because the other side is writing the history books. That's pretty much the difference.
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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    He was a little of both. He certainly was not a completely non-violent man, so if that is the sort of person you admire he is not up there with Gandhi or MLK, who has been compared to. In the end though he believed his actions were justified, because after all he lived in a society where the white minority actively oppressed blacks and prevented them from having a political voice. He had no option to vote down Apartheid, the only options he had were 1) convince whites that the morality of the situation outweighs their self-interest and abolish it within their electoral system 2) go the Gandhi route and only use non-violent civil disobedience and 3) use violence. He did a combination of 2 and 3.

    Should he have used violence? I'm not sure. I believe it is only justified if no other solutions are possible and you live under such repression that there is absolutely no democratic option to change things you do not like. Morally you cannot criticize Mandela and also say that the founding fathers of the USA were justified, because in the end they did the exact same thing. I myself, in spite of being a patriotic American, don't think revolution was necessarily the only solution at the time and I think had they failed we would probably be a commonwealth realm with self-government. Even so what happened happpened and I support my country. In the same way I think Mandela could have theoretically ended Apartheid without any of the violence the way Gandhi drove the British out of India, either way we should just be glad it ended.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    That's just one of the reasons that Mandela was so incredibly special. From very early on in his llife he made clear his determination to champion equality for all of the people of South Africa. He didn't just sit back and turn a blind eye because he was in a better position than many others. Mandela's priority was ending Apartheid and he devoted his life to it. His vision was a desire for his fellow citizens to be able to live in a country where everybody is equal, rich or poor, black or white, able or disabled.
    I use to read some of Nelson Mandela's columns he use to write and were published mostly in South African newspapers. I searched for the one Mandela wrote two or three years ago. But with Nelsons death, in the past couple of weeks there been so much posted on the internet, tens of thousands I can't find the one I was looking for.

    But Mandela's column was about him addressing all of the violence and racism there is in South Africa today. More today than when he was released from prison in 1990. And Mandela admitted it.

    But what I had a problem with was Mandela almost sounded like Obama. Instead of Mandela blaming the NAC government for what went wrong in South Africa, he blamed apartheid, like how Obama always blamed Bush for everything. A sign of a narcissist. Aparthied ended over twenty years ago !

    Maybe if Mandela would have served two terms as President things would have been different today in South Africa ???

    The problems in South Africa today aren't Mandela's fault but the NAC fault. If the NAC even moves a few inches to the left, South Africa will become another Zimbabwe.

    But if I do find that column, I'll post it. Kinda enjoying reading all of the South Africa forums. They look at things differently.

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    Re: Mandela, Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I don't think Britain or France ever looked upon themselves as being freedom fighters.
    What about US imperalism?


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