2016 Republican Primary

Tothian said:

Good question. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, there were some who were in the "Other" category. I picked who I guessed were the 9 most likely to run and added the "Other" option. I wish there was an unlimited or at least longer options. People like her (Sarah Palin), Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Ted Nugent, Donald Trump, John Bolton, Newt Gingrich, Mary Fallin.

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Yeah yeah yeah Palin Nugent ... That's a winning ticket if I ever heard one!

shrubnose said:

If the GOP lets the perfect be the enemy of the good in 2016 another Democrat will move into the White House in 2017.

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No. I still have hope for America.

Where's the Jolie/Pitt option?

Anagram said:

I don't know much about Haley, I'll have to look into her. Although I know she might have a difficult time against Sheheen next year after he came so close to beating her in 2010.

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She wouldn't be a bad choice neither. If she wins re-election in 2014 and I hope she does. She'll have been a 6 year Governor, and a tea party supporter.

polgara said:

:agree: Why some want to hurry the expiration date will doubtless be made obvious soon. When I start wondering about things that are currently going on, it seems that we are now going to be asked what we stand for. Too many good people of all colors are being vilified by those that want to turn this country into something that is not what our Constitution and Bill of Rights offered to all people, and I find that so sad. Our politicians are letting us down, and worse of all, they don't care. Party truly has become more important than what is good for the people of this country.

One hopeful thing I saw this morning---my innocent little Christmas cactus, which sits on a stand by the window, has burst into full bloom, right on Nature's timetable. This humbled me and gave me a little reminder that that there are greater truths in the universe than we can imagine, and that our petty squabbles over things might keep us at odds with each other, but in the end, it doesn't matter. Time will go on, whether we are here or not. eace:

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

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It is now afternoon, so Afternoon Pol. I agree. The Universe will go on and one with or without us. They say time and space is infinite. Perhaps by our standards. But who know what really lies out there and if we were there if we would or could understand it.

Tothian said:

No. I still have hope for America.

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Good.

Run Cruz and Ryan and see what happens.

Tothian said:

Huntsman left the Governor's office the first year into his 2nd term, to be an Ambassador to China under Obama for like about 2 years when he still had 3 and a half years left as Governor.

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Yes, and he did a good job both as Governor and Ambassador to China. And he has the best combination of Executive experience as well as foreign policy experience of anyone as well as a proven conservative track record.

Brian Sandoval gave in and decided to support Obamacare (AKA Obamadontcare)

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Sandoval did not decide to support Obamacare.

Susana Martinez won't leave the state for national office because she prefers to stay close to home since she has a disabled sister to take care of.

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Quite possibly true, but if she ever decided to run I'd support him.

Mike Huckabee is a likeable, honest politician.

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I quite agree, and its very refreshing.

I like the fact that he's a conservative.

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I don't like the fact that he would likely make social issues a focal point of his campaign. And can look past them for most cadidates but I'm not sure about him.

There is absolutely no reason why anyone should dislike Ted Cruz. He is actually THE best candidate for President amongst all of them. It shows how deceived America is that they want bad politicians like liberals running this country. It's wrong.

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I have several problems with Ted Cruz.

For one he is more inexperienced than Obama.

He is the least electable among the candidates.

He is by all accounts abrasive and egotistical and has managed to make enemies with the majority of both sides in Congress, making it unlikely he would ever be able to do anything as President.

His support for the government shutdown was extremely flawed. Everybody could see that it had no chance of working. The best case scenario was a wash and the worst case scenario was that it actually helped the Democrats and Obamacare. Both of their numbers were trending upward quickly before thankfully Republican Senators realized it was a bad idea. If the shutdown had lasted longer or the Obamacare rollout wasn't such a disaster, those Obamacare numbers could've stayed up. The fact that Ted Cruz is so intelligent makes me believe he knew his plan only had chances of helping Obamacare, and yet he decided to do it anyway.

There's no way I could support him.

Tothian said:

Huntsman left the Governor's office the first year into his 2nd term, to be an Ambassador to China under Obama for like about 2 years when he still had 3 and a half years left as Governor.

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Since there's multiple ways you could possibly be bothered by this I'll go ahead and ask rather than assume.....what about this bothered you?

There is absolutely no reason why anyone should dislike Ted Cruz. He is actually THE best candidate for President amongst all of them. It shows how deceived America is that they want bad politicians like liberals running this country. It's wrong.

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THE best candidate?

So, let me ask you a question. Did you have an issue with the level of Experience Barak Obama had running for President?

I was at least partially serious about Pitt/Jolie. Find a popular Hollywood conservative and run them on the ticket. It's becoming a twitter/social media nation, use that. Obama has proven you don't need experience to win elections, you just need to know how to advertise effectively.

shrubnose said:

Good.

Run Cruz and Ryan and see what happens.

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America can't really be that stupid, to not vote for the best Senator in the United States.

As for Congressman Ryan, he supported a plan with liberal Pat Murray to raise the debt ceiling. Unacceptable.

clownboy said:

Where's the Jolie/Pitt option?

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Electors from the Electoral College cannot vote for 2 candidates from the same state. As in, for President and Vice President. They are married so they likely live together and vote together in the same state.

Perotista said:

It is now afternoon, so Afternoon Pol. I agree. The Universe will go on and one with or without us. They say time and space is infinite. Perhaps by our standards. But who know what really lies out there and if we were there if we would or could understand it.

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When you consider that many people don't even comprehend what's going on here, when it's right in front of them, I doubt it! :mrgreen:

polgara said:

When you consider that many people don't even comprehend what's going on here, when it's right in front of them, I doubt it! :mrgreen:

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LOL, Good point. It is too much to expect I suppose. But if they would ask me, I would tell them.

Tothian said:

2016 GOP PRIMARY

I know it's early but it's fun to take the time now to speculate and add thoughts. I want to set up different kinds of the same polls - as I feel that they will be more revealing than only doing it one way.

For example, in some polls, I will have a vote for one. In other polls of the same kind, I'll have a vote for all that you want.

In this one, it'll be a one-option. It seems these polls here are limited to 10 options, so I'm gonna put the most mentioned prospective candidates and top-tier.

Ted Cruz
Rand Paul
Mike Huckabee
Marco Rubio
Chris Christie
Rick Santorum
Rick Perry
Jon Huntsman
Paul Ryan
Other (Please specify)

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I'd love to support Rubio, but I'm having trouble getting past his amnesty support. I have a personal experience that really sticks in my craw, and I'm not sure I can get over it. I'd pick Rand Paul if I had to choose right now.

On the other end, I might be convinced to vote democrat if Rick Perry got the nod. I don't trust him.

Jeb Bush will be the next President of the United States - can't believe you didn't place him even in the top ten picks.

Anagram said:

Yes, and he did a good job both as Governor and Ambassador to China. And he has the best combination of Executive experience as well as foreign policy experience of anyone as well as a proven conservative track record.



Sandoval did not decide to support Obamacare.



Quite possibly true, but if she ever decided to run I'd support him.



I quite agree, and its very refreshing.



I don't like the fact that he would likely make social issues a focal point of his campaign. And can look past them for most cadidates but I'm not sure about him.



I have several problems with Ted Cruz.

For one he is more inexperienced than Obama.

He is the least electable among the candidates.

He is by all accounts abrasive and egotistical and has managed to make enemies with the majority of both sides in Congress, making it unlikely he would ever be able to do anything as President.

His support for the government shutdown was extremely flawed. Everybody could see that it had no chance of working. The best case scenario was a wash and the worst case scenario was that it actually helped the Democrats and Obamacare. Both of their numbers were trending upward quickly before thankfully Republican Senators realized it was a bad idea. If the shutdown had lasted longer or the Obamacare rollout wasn't such a disaster, those Obamacare numbers could've stayed up. The fact that Ted Cruz is so intelligent makes me believe he knew his plan only had chances of helping Obamacare, and yet he decided to do it anyway.

There's no way I could support him.

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1- I agree with his experience - executive experience with foreign policy credentials is impressive, but I've heard he's more liberal. What has he done and/or are his positions on stuff that makes him more conservative?

2- Brian Sandoval is supporting Obamacare. Here's a link with more information on that. Nevada's Republican governor is 'all in' on ACA - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

3- You said him? Did you mean her?

4- Yes.

5- I think it's important to educate people about those social issues. I don't like all these politicians trying to turn America away from God.

6- First of all - if he were elected in 2016, he - just like Obama - would have both had 4 years in the U.S. Senate. Ted Cruz was also a Solicitor General of Texas for about 5 years - which technically does sort of count as a Leadership position. Obama was only a State Senator - even if for 8 years. Longer experience but less leadership experience than Ted Cruz.

Admittedly, it's Ted Cruz' only REAL flaw as a candidate. Everything else you say is pointless. Saying a politician has an ego is like saying a celebrity actor has an ego. It's hard for a person not to have an ego when they are successful. Nonetheless, I don't see Ted Cruz saying "Look at how great I am!" I more-so see him praising his friends in the Senate like Mike Lee and Rand Paul.

Those "enemies" Ted Cruz made - that people like you always say - as if that is supposed to make me think Ted Cruz is bad? Wrong. All of those people he made "enemies" with - GOOD! MORE POWER TO HIM! I'm not a big fan of his enemies neither! McCain, Graham, Feinstein - I'M GLAD SOMEONE is standing up to the corrupted washington elite. Ted Cruz is a hero.

Obamacare needs to be defunded, and repealed. The government needed to be shut down. Perhaps then we'd have less people in the Obama Administration and NSA taking away people's freedom and privacy. That "shut down" was more Obama's fault anyway. If he didn't propose such bad policies that he BLATANTLY LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT - thinking he could pass it before anyone would know - and then it was Obama who refused to negotiate.

Stop letting the media deceive you. It's alright though, you will learn. I will teach you the truth.

Just trust in what I say more often. I know what I am talking about.

Tothian said:

2- Brian Sandoval is supporting Obamacare. Here's a link with more information on that. Nevada's Republican governor is 'all in' on ACA - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

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Gov. Sandoval is a former federal judge as per this article a few weeks back..He is against ACA if you read the article but also believes in following the law..In the end, Gov. Sandoval is wildly popular in Nevada because he puts his people above his party .

CanadaJohn said:

Jeb Bush will be the next President of the United States - can't believe you didn't place him even in the top ten picks.

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I might've added him if I had more than 10 options. There were others I would've added too, like Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Nikki Haley, and some others. I wanted to pick the 9 most likely and still leaving 1 option for "Other".

I hope he isn't elected President though. We don't need to keep going back and forth with the 8 years of Bush in national office (8 yrs as VP, 4 yrs as Prez), 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Bush Jr., we don't need any more of that. This isn't a royalty.

NIMBY said:

Gov. Sandoval is a former federal judge as per this article a few weeks back..He is against ACA if you read the article but also believes in following the law..In the end, Gov. Sandoval is wildly popular in Nevada because he puts his people above his party .

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That's the problem. He isn't putting the people above his party.

He is putting the "law" above the people. That is wrong. No true patriot would enforce a law that is bad for this country.

Tothian said:

I might've added him if I had more than 10 options. There were others I would've added too, like Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Nikki Haley, and some others. I wanted to pick the 9 most likely and still leaving 1 option for "Other".

I hope he isn't elected President though. We don't need to keep going back and forth with the 8 years of Bush in national office (8 yrs as VP, 4 yrs as Prez), 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Bush Jr., we don't need any more of that. This isn't a royalty.

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Forget the last name, and there's no person more qualified both in intelligence/experience and in temperment for the job of President. Your country has experimented disasterously the past five years with the feel good empty suit and you need to get serious about picking a qualified, competent leader next time around.

FederalRepublic said:

I'd love to support Rubio, but I'm having trouble getting past his amnesty support. I have a personal experience that really sticks in my craw, and I'm not sure I can get over it. I'd pick Rand Paul if I had to choose right now.

On the other end, I might be convinced to vote democrat if Rick Perry got the nod. I don't trust him.

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Rand Paul accepted Obamacare.

How about Ted Cruz?

So you are for disobeying the laws of our Founding Fathers ?

Tothian said:

That's the problem. He isn't putting the people above his party.

He is putting the "law" above the people. That is wrong. No true patriot would enforce a law that is bad for this country.

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Ted Cruz is covered by his wife's skirt .

Tothian said:

Rand Paul accepted Obamacare.

How about Ted Cruz?

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I thought you were for Chris Christie..

CanadaJohn said:

Forget the last name, and there's no person more qualified both in intelligence/experience and in temperment for the job of President. Your country has experimented disasterously the past five years with the feel good empty suit and you need to get serious about picking a qualified, competent leader next time around.

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Your GOP does have a wealth of VP candidates .

NIMBY said:

I thought you were for Chris Christie..

Your GOP does have a wealth of VP candidates .

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Christie would be a fine choice, but I've always said Jeb Bush would be the best choice - I had hoped he'd run in 2012 - I think he would have won, had he entered the race.