2016 Republican Primary

I would be happier with a non politician from corp America, but I can't give a name because most wouldn't give up their careers for the gig if they are successful. The list provided is difficult to choose from for I don't think any can win. Christie is the lefts darling and belongs in the Democrats primary....if nominated I wouldn't bother.

Have these violations ever been proven??
Please proceed with Issa's hearings all the way to the 2014 election..

Tothian said:

Hillary Clinton has been known for ethics violation every single time she has ever been given any position of power - ever.

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Meanwhile, both Cruz and Rubio embarrass themselves just for the Cuban vote alone..
Cruz is the gift that keeps on giving, as with coming ads with this McCarthyite's face plastered all over every GOP candidate for the Senate .

Tothian said:

1- Don't lose hope. It is possible that we can elect a conservative if we let the voters know of their mistakes. Plus with Obamacare failures it will likely help the conservatives.

2- Every vote counts. So if they do make that mistake, then vote for a 3rd party. Regardless of whether or not you think they will win - it will still count as a vote against the establishment. Jesse Ventura 2016 if the GOP don't nominate a good candidate. If he can get to the debates, he can win the debates, and a long shot but possibly, the Presidency. Nobody expected him to be elected Mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota. Or Governor of Minnesota. And he has been talking about running for years, so the idea is out there. He could get a big following.

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I don't give up but if they keep running the same old moderates then I am not interested. Would rather waste my vote on a third party than settle again.

CalGun said:

Christie is the lefts darling and belongs in the Democrats primary....if nominated I wouldn't bother.

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Check Turtle's posts #36 and 42 to see what he thinks of you staying home or going 3rd party..

TurtleDude said:

I am tired of "purists" in the Republican party handing elections to Democrats and giving us people like Kagan on the USSC instead of People like Miguel Estrada and Peter keisler

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I'm tired of Republicans running moderates like McCain and Romney in the name of "electability" and expecting us to vote for them because they are slightly less offensive than the other guy. Give me a fiscal conservative who has a track record to match the rhetoric, and I'll support him. Nominate a big government moderate, and I'll keep voting third party. Its the only way people who care about small government and fiscal conservatism can send a message to the GOP. Empty rhetoric isn't going to cut it with me anymore.

Psychoclown said:

I'm tired of Republicans running moderates like McCain and Romney in the name of "electability" and expecting us to vote for them because they are slightly less offensive than the other guy. Give me a fiscal conservative who has a track record to match the rhetoric, and I'll support him. Nominate a big government moderate, and I'll keep voting third party. Its the only way people who care about small government and fiscal conservatism can send a message to the GOP. Empty rhetoric isn't going to cut it with me anymore.

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People like you are why we have Obama in office

I'm OK with that, if it means the Republicans might one day wake up and stop running big government, no principle moderates. Right now our choices are big government or bigger government. I find neither acceptable.

Huntsman?....now I know liberals are voting in here.

I like Huntsman. I think he is right amount of conservative the country needs, but not too far right to scare off independents.

Tothian said:

Chris Christie isn't the most electable. Chris Christie is THE LEAST ELECTABLE. He is the WORST choice of ALL the Republicans. Unless if you count Peter King. He is even worse than Christie. And see that's the problem. You are letting emotion rule your vote. It isn't their likable personality that will help put this country on a better track. It's the candidate with the best ideas.

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Ok, you do understand that most likely the majority of Americans probably don't agree with you on a lot of issues. If you pick a candidate like Cruz, you have no hope at all at appealing to anyone outside of the far right. In a primary, you don't want the person that agrees most with your views. You want the person that you more or less agree with, but also has appeal outside of the core base of your party.

When will Republicans learn, that nominating a moderate just because they're viewed as "more likely to win" - not only is wrong because it has to "settle" for "MUCH less than best" BUT ALSO, it didn't work in 2008 with McCain, and it didn't work in 2012 with Romney. It wouldn't work with Christie in 2016. Please don't make that mistake again.

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Since World War II, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr all ran as either center left or center right candidates and won. There are only 2 candidates in 60 years that ran outside of that paradigm and actually won, Reagan and Obama, and both of them tempered their views. In the case of Reagan, he was elected originally because Carter was seen as a very weak and ineffective president and we were in the middle of the hostage crisis. In the case of Obama, we were in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

Now, as to McCain, his problem was he running against Obama and he picked a total nutjob as his running mate. Moreover, he ran a terrible campaign. In the case of Romney, he was terribly unlikable, and ran to the hard right (though he is obviously a moderate at heart) in order to appease the base. If the Republicans want to win a national election, they need to nominate a center right candidate and actually allow that candidate to run as a center right candidate that is more moderate and thus will appeal to a wider range of the electorate. Of the candidates you mentioned, no one fits that bill better than Chris Christie.

Psychoclown said:

I'm tired of Republicans running moderates like McCain and Romney in the name of "electability" and expecting us to vote for them because they are slightly less offensive than the other guy. Give me a fiscal conservative who has a track record to match the rhetoric, and I'll support him. Nominate a big government moderate, and I'll keep voting third party. Its the only way people who care about small government and fiscal conservatism can send a message to the GOP. Empty rhetoric isn't going to cut it with me anymore.

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Why does the GOP care what you think? You're not a Republican - moderates and center-right IS the Republican Party.

I will add this. The Republican base keeps wanting another Reagan, but what they need to win national elections again is another Eisenhower.

SouthernDemocrat said:

I will add this. The Republican base keeps wanting another Reagan, but what they need to win national elections again is another Eisenhower.

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The TPers would never let Reagan run.

One vote for Pat Buchanan.:ind:

rocket88 said:

The TPers would never let Reagan run.

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What kills me is that moderate Republicans have always been able to accomplish more in regards to fiscal conservatism and reigning in the growth of government than the hardcore conservative Republicans. By every measure in terms of spending, Eisenhower (a moderate) was far more fiscally conservative in his results than Reagan (a conservative). This is true in the house and senate, and at the state level as well.

Of course, Libertarians have had a total failing record in terms of actual governance and resulting fiscal conservatism. Ron Paul is quite a likable guy, but was a failure as a congressman.

TurtleDude said:

People like you are why we have Obama in office

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Nonsense. We were offered a choice between Obama and Obama-lite. Why put the republicant label on a big gov't moron when we can keep the demorat label on a bigger gov't moron? Many of the republicants that we now have in congressional office are likely dumb enough to try to help "fix" PPACA, just as they recently agreed to compromise and reduce the tiny spending "cuts" that came via sequestration - in the name of making nice to avoid getting hollered at by Obama.

ernst barkmann said:

Huntsman?....now I know liberals are voting in here.

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How did the "liberal" Huntsman as you say get elected governor in Utah ? Maybe it was his billionaire Daddy, who also yanked his son out of the 2012 primaries .How about Priebus running the primaries and debates ?

NIMBY said:

How did the "liberal" Huntsman as you say get elected governor in Utah ? Maybe it was his billionaire Daddy, who also yanked his son out of the 2012 primaries .How about Priebus running the primaries and debates ?

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I like Huntsman. I actually wrote the guy a campaign contribution when he announced his candidacy. His problem though was that he turned out to be a very dull guy and lackluster candidate. That said, I think had he been nominated he would probably have won.

NIMBY said:

How did the "liberal" Huntsman as you say get elected governor in Utah ? Maybe it was his billionaire Daddy, who also yanked his son out of the 2012 primaries .How about Priebus running the primaries and debates ?

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I based my statement on this principle.

liberals trying to pick the republican party candidate for president.

their are two .....huntsman, and Chris Christie

Please..I voted for that "so-and-so" in the Illinois GOP primary instead of Bush-41..Want to know why?

APACHERAT said:

One vote for Pat Buchanan.:ind:

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Please choose one of your headless horseman !

ernst barkmann said:

I based my statement on this principle.

liberals trying to pick the republican party candidate for president.

their are two .....huntsman, and Chris Christie

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I won't bother explaining to you why the Green Papers predict that Christie will easily win the nomination..
CC even bought off Cuomo today on "bridge-gate"..
You haven't heard of bridge-gate on FOX have you ?

ernst barkmann said:

I based my statement on this principle.

liberals trying to pick the republican party candidate for president.

their are two .....huntsman, and Chris Christie

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And neither of them are liberals. Huntsman had a more fiscally conservative record as governor of Utah than any other candidate in 2012. Yet he was called a liberal because he was moderate in tone. Not in his ideas or in his governing record, but rather just in his tone. The only reason why he had any support from moderate Democrats was that he was obviously a very smart guy and they go for that kind of thing in elections.

rocket88 said:

Why does the GOP care what you think? You're not a Republican - moderates and center-right IS the Republican Party.

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Funny how I seem to recall there being a wing of the party that actually believed in small government and reduced spending. If someone "moderately" supported those things, i.e. wanted to make cuts and reduce the scope of government but not as drastically as I might like, I could still support them. At least things would move in the right direction.

But I can't support "moderates" who backed runaway spending and big government - bailouts, TARP, NCLB, the unfunded entitlement expansion known as Medicare part D, Romneycare, budgetary smoke and mirrors that they falsely call cuts, or neutering squester cuts like this last deal did. That's what moderates have become in the GOP. People who say they want smaller government and fiscal responsibility, but really they just want to expand the size of government at a slightly slower rate than the Democrats and they just want to shift around where the dollars go in our bloated budget.

For all the hate Republicans give Obama, I can't imagine either of the two guys they ran against Obama being anything more than perhaps marginally different than Obama on a vast majority of issues.

I voted Paul, but I like Cruz as well.

Incredible that Huntsman was the only debate candidate who accepted the 10-for-1 "grand-bargain swap"..
Priebus will do his best to keep those "tough" questions to a minimum..
Too bad we didn't get the 3-for-1 deal in 2011 .

SouthernDemocrat said:

I like Huntsman. I actually wrote the guy a campaign contribution when he announced his candidacy. His problem though was that he turned out to be a very dull guy and lackluster candidate. That said, I think had he been nominated he would probably have won.

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