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  • Ted Cruz

    51 30.36%
  • Rand Paul

    50 29.76%
  • Marco Rubio

    2 1.19%
  • Mike Huckabee

    2 1.19%
  • Chris Christie

    18 10.71%
  • Rick Perry

    2 1.19%
  • Rick Santorum

    12 7.14%
  • Jon Huntsman

    12 7.14%
  • Paul Ryan

    4 2.38%
  • Other (Please specify)

    15 8.93%
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    72 voted.

    Rand Paul 29%
    Ted Cruz 25%
    Chris Christie 13%
    Jon Huntsman 12%
    Paul Ryan 2%
    Mike Huckabee 1%
    Rick Perry 1%
    Rob Portman 1%

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Why do people keep telling me that? What is WRONG with these people?!?! Do they not see that Ted Cruz is the best thing that has ever happened to the United States Senate? Yes I like him - he's my favorite Senator.

    I haven't lost ALL hope for America yet. People can't be that unintelligent and hateful towards America to simply reject someone like Ted Cruz. Someone who will NOT support NDAA, Patriot Act, Gun Control, nor Obamacare (AKA Obamadontcare).

    You all can have your false theories now, but once the debates start, Ted Cruz would own any candidate in a debate.
    Ted Cruz is indeed a good representative of Texas in the US Senate, and got my vote for that position. But that alone does not translate into making him a viable national candidate for president.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Ted Cruz is indeed a good representative of Texas in the US Senate, and got my vote for that position. But that alone does not translate into making him a viable national candidate for president.
    First of all - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for voting for Ted Cruz and blessing the United States with him in the Senate. I can't thank you enough for that.

    And as for President - he is a viable candidate. He has the right ideology that America desperately needs. To balance the experience on the ticket, perhaps Mike Huckabee could be a good balance for the ticket since he had nearly 10 years as Governor, after being Lieutenant Governor for a few years, and also having a Presidential run before. So that would help balance things there.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Thanks for voting & sharing your thoughts!

    And moderates will not get the conservative base. Not that "electability" is the key - standing up for what you believe in is key. I don't think people care which parties are working together if it's both to equally hurt the people. I think we need more politicians willing to stand up and fight for what is right. It's important that they argue these key important points out, of what works best in practice and why (not just sounds nice in theory).

    For example, gun control is wrong in both theory and doesn't even work in practice. They could show data as evidence to support this. As well as real examples.

    NSA spying, NDAA. Why these things aren't working.

    The conservatives feel under-represented when politicians are not truly standing up for what is right.
    Gotta be electable in order to win the general election IMO, it is more then simply democrats and republicans, you have independents and dozens of other political parties to try to attract as well. Not saying you have to go completely left or even total center, but likeability and electability wins elections. Just ask our Current POTUS. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate seems to be how Americans are trending as a whole, which definitely is not our current POTUS but look what he ran against? An over the hill out of touch maverick and a phoney bologna republican, who isn't really a republican. The base will vote for a Christie, or a more moderate republican before they allow a Clinton, or a Obamaish repeat. Gotta put the truely best candidates forward, No more McCains and Romneys.
    I like hearing your thoughts though and you are not way off base

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    Gotta be electable in order to win the general election IMO, it is more then simply democrats and republicans, you have independents and dozens of other political parties to try to attract as well. Not saying you have to go completely left or even total center, but likeability and electability wins elections. Just ask our Current POTUS. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate seems to be how Americans are trending as a whole, which definitely is not our current POTUS but look what he ran against? An over the hill out of touch maverick and a phoney bologna republican, who isn't really a republican. The base will vote for a Christie, or a more moderate republican before they allow a Clinton, or a Obamaish repeat. Gotta put the truely best candidates forward, No more McCains and Romneys.
    I like hearing your thoughts though and you are not way off base
    I think Ted Cruz is electable. He's inspirational and he will fight for what is right.

    Chris Christie is another McCain and Romney. The GOP needs to STOP NOMINATING MODERATES just because they're viewed as "more likely to win". It isn't only wrong morally, but also strategically too.

    It isn't even WORTH electing a Republican if they're basically gonna be more like a Democrat anyway.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    I think Ted Cruz is electable. He's inspirational and he will fight for what is right.

    Chris Christie is another McCain and Romney. The GOP needs to STOP NOMINATING MODERATES just because they're viewed as "more likely to win". It isn't only wrong morally, but also strategically too.

    It isn't even WORTH electing a Republican if they're basically gonna be more like a Democrat anyway.
    There are very few differences between the two parties as it is. Being a supporter of Same sex marriage doesn't mean you are not conservative anymore then being pro guns means you are not a liberal. Gotta look at the entirety of a candidate. Christie seems to fit the bill nicely and I like Ryan even more. Cruz doesn't play well with others from what I ahve seen and that will hurt him. of course these are my opinions and there is still time for Cruz to change my mind if I can see a different side of him. I do love his ambitions and enthusiasm towards a fiscally responsible government

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    There are very few differences between the two parties as it is. Being a supporter of Same sex marriage doesn't mean you are not conservative anymore then being pro guns means you are not a liberal. Gotta look at the entirety of a candidate. Christie seems to fit the bill nicely and I like Ryan even more. Cruz doesn't play well with others from what I ahve seen and that will hurt him. of course these are my opinions and there is still time for Cruz to change my mind if I can see a different side of him. I do love his ambitions and enthusiasm towards a fiscally responsible government
    The problem with Christie is that he is a known traitor to his own party. So the Republican base will not support him in the primary election. He turned his back on Mitt Romney in 2012. If you really listen to what he said. He also acted more committed towards the Democratic State Senate President than he was the Republican State Senate Minority Leader Tom Kean Jr. - who was the 2006 Republican Nominee for U.S. Senate - and the son of former NJ Governor Tom Kean, Sr. (1982 - 1990) - who the Sr. was also Chairman of the 9/11 Commission - and also was Christie's political mentor. Christie turned his back on them. He also supported a Democratic NJ State Senator for re-election in 2013.

    He also didn't do as much as he could have done to help Steve Lonegan in the 2013 Special Election for U.S. Senate - just because they were primary opponents in 2009. While Steve Lonegan will tell you that Christie did a lot for him in 2013 - it is true he did some stuff - he also didn't endorse him in the primary earlier on and he also didn't do as much as he could have done in 2013.

    Christie lead his 2013 general election opponent for Governor by like 30 to 40 percent margins. Steve Lonegan lagged by about 4 to 25 percent margins - but Christie was more concerned with his own race - which he was already going to win anyway. Just because he is buddy buddy with Cory Booker.

    Christie didn't want to hurt his working relationship with people like Andrew Cuomo so he wasn't really concerned with finding a GOP opponent to run for NY Gov in 2014. Despite the fact that Christie is the RGA Chairman.

    Christie is all about these public appearances with Bill Clinton but he will ignore someone like Ted Cruz or even will criticize Rand Paul.

    Christie isn't about "playing nice" if it comes to other Republicans. He is just playing for the other team. He's infiltrating the GOP that way. If anything, Christie is closer to being a liberal.

    Paul Ryan is fairly moderate. He just voted to raise the debt ceiling limit - which means the country will be in further debt now thanks to him and his deal with Senator Patty Murray.

    We need a conservative to reduce taxes, reduce spending, balance the budget.

    They need to audit the federal reserve - if not shut it down.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    The problem with Christie is that he is a known traitor to his own party. So the Republican base will not support him in the primary election. He turned his back on Mitt Romney in 2012. If you really listen to what he said. He also acted more committed towards the Democratic State Senate President than he was the Republican State Senate Minority Leader Tom Kean Jr. - who was the 2006 Republican Nominee for U.S. Senate - and the son of former NJ Governor Tom Kean, Sr. (1982 - 1990) - who the Sr. was also Chairman of the 9/11 Commission - and also was Christie's political mentor. Christie turned his back on them. He also supported a Democratic NJ State Senator for re-election in 2013.

    He also didn't do as much as he could have done to help Steve Lonegan in the 2013 Special Election for U.S. Senate - just because they were primary opponents in 2009. While Steve Lonegan will tell you that Christie did a lot for him in 2013 - it is true he did some stuff - he also didn't endorse him in the primary earlier on and he also didn't do as much as he could have done in 2013.

    Christie lead his 2013 general election opponent for Governor by like 30 to 40 percent margins. Steve Lonegan lagged by about 4 to 25 percent margins - but Christie was more concerned with his own race - which he was already going to win anyway. Just because he is buddy buddy with Cory Booker.

    Christie didn't want to hurt his working relationship with people like Andrew Cuomo so he wasn't really concerned with finding a GOP opponent to run for NY Gov in 2014. Despite the fact that Christie is the RGA Chairman.

    Christie is all about these public appearances with Bill Clinton but he will ignore someone like Ted Cruz or even will criticize Rand Paul.

    Christie isn't about "playing nice" if it comes to other Republicans. He is just playing for the other team. He's infiltrating the GOP that way. If anything, Christie is closer to being a liberal.

    Paul Ryan is fairly moderate. He just voted to raise the debt ceiling limit - which means the country will be in further debt now thanks to him and his deal with Senator Patty Murray.

    We need a conservative to reduce taxes, reduce spending, balance the budget.

    They need to audit the federal reserve - if not shut it down.
    Ryan's deal with Murray is to set a budget for the next two years, which can always be tweaked in the future as we all know. Raising the debt ceiling is a must if you value your dollar. I agree we need to balance the budget and stop spending out of control. Mr. Ryan is working towards this as is Mr. Cruz. Being a moderate is not as bad as it sounds. The base will support a Ryan and whoever he picks as his running mate. Difference is Ryan can win more independents and even moderate democrats that Mr. Cruz will have issues with, unless he picks a Christie or Ryan as his running mate. a Ryan/Cruz, or Cruz Ryan.. even a Ryan/Rubio could be highly viable. I'm starting to see your point on Christie and he reminds me a lot of Romney. He would need a strong conservative to have a shot now that I have read your valid points. Cruz/Christie can work. I still prefer Ryan over Cruz as the lead ticket and Cruz as a running mate. Ryan/Cruz can dominate.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    Ryan's deal with Murray is to set a budget for the next two years, which can always be tweaked in the future as we all know. Raising the debt ceiling is a must if you value your dollar. I agree we need to balance the budget and stop spending out of control. Mr. Ryan is working towards this as is Mr. Cruz. Being a moderate is not as bad as it sounds. The base will support a Ryan and whoever he picks as his running mate. Difference is Ryan can win more independents and even moderate democrats that Mr. Cruz will have issues with, unless he picks a Christie or Ryan as his running mate. a Ryan/Cruz, or Cruz Ryan.. even a Ryan/Rubio could be highly viable. I'm starting to see your point on Christie and he reminds me a lot of Romney. He would need a strong conservative to have a shot now that I have read your valid points. Cruz/Christie can work. I still prefer Ryan over Cruz as the lead ticket and Cruz as a running mate. Ryan/Cruz can dominate.
    Paul Ryan in his debate with VP Joe Biden - they each had different pro's and con's.

    Ryan Pro's - Intelligent, level headed, serious
    Ryan Con's - he didn't do enough to attack his opponent and turn people away from him. Ryan did what would sound nice in theory but would somewhat help for voters looking for sane candidates to vote for, but turn away voters looking for someone to excite them and interest them enough to get their attention.

    Also a lot of the fiscal stuff was over a lot of voters heads that didn't understand it so well.

    Biden pro's - Biden was viewed as owning Ryan in the debate, and dominating him, having been in elected office since the same year Ryan was born
    Biden's con's - Biden was considered to be possibly drunk that night, and not taking it too seriously, and being too goofy and also very rude as well.

    That also shaped the way people viewed Paul Ryan. Plus voters might also consider that Ryan couldn't even deliver his own home state in the 2012 election.

    Ryan choosing Christie, and I would worry that Christie would betray Ryan - or not do things to really help Ryan but perhaps turn away Republican voters.

    Christie choosing Cruz - I would not see that happening. Christie tends to favor his "friends" - the most conservative people I could ever see Christie choosing would be either Scott Walker or John Kasich. The obvious choice would actually be Susana Martinez, if not for the fact that she doesn't want it - and not in the sense that most future candidates say - but she she has a more legitimate reason, like taking care of her disabled sister. So I'm not sure who else Christie would be more likely to pick as a running mate - assuming he ever won the nod. Rob Portman, Peter King, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio.

    I also could not see Cruz picking Christie. Cruz doesn't seem to care who he upsets - as long as he sticks to what he believes in.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Paul Ryan in his debate with VP Joe Biden - they each had different pro's and con's.

    Ryan Pro's - Intelligent, level headed, serious
    Ryan Con's - he didn't do enough to attack his opponent and turn people away from him. Ryan did what would sound nice in theory but would somewhat help for voters looking for sane candidates to vote for, but turn away voters looking for someone to excite them and interest them enough to get their attention.

    Also a lot of the fiscal stuff was over a lot of voters heads that didn't understand it so well.

    Biden pro's - Biden was viewed as owning Ryan in the debate, and dominating him, having been in elected office since the same year Ryan was born
    Biden's con's - Biden was considered to be possibly drunk that night, and not taking it too seriously, and being too goofy and also very rude as well.

    That also shaped the way people viewed Paul Ryan. Plus voters might also consider that Ryan couldn't even deliver his own home state in the 2012 election.

    Ryan choosing Christie, and I would worry that Christie would betray Ryan - or not do things to really help Ryan but perhaps turn away Republican voters.

    Christie choosing Cruz - I would not see that happening. Christie tends to favor his "friends" - the most conservative people I could ever see Christie choosing would be either Scott Walker or John Kasich. The obvious choice would actually be Susana Martinez, if not for the fact that she doesn't want it - and not in the sense that most future candidates say - but she she has a more legitimate reason, like taking care of her disabled sister. So I'm not sure who else Christie would be more likely to pick as a running mate - assuming he ever won the nod. Rob Portman, Peter King, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio.

    I also could not see Cruz picking Christie. Cruz doesn't seem to care who he upsets - as long as he sticks to what he believes in.
    Possible Cruz/Rubio could attract the latino vote and conservative base will be excited and fired up

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