View Poll Results: REPUBLICANS ONLY PLEASE- YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR 2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT

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  • Ted Cruz

    51 30.36%
  • Rand Paul

    50 29.76%
  • Marco Rubio

    2 1.19%
  • Mike Huckabee

    2 1.19%
  • Chris Christie

    18 10.71%
  • Rick Perry

    2 1.19%
  • Rick Santorum

    12 7.14%
  • Jon Huntsman

    12 7.14%
  • Paul Ryan

    4 2.38%
  • Other (Please specify)

    15 8.93%
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    wrong again troll--you're unaware of the amendment process--the same process that the GOP
    insisted upon with state exchanges in PPACA..
    and then voted NO of course..


    Nothing "clear" about any legislation from the House of Horror, as you admit..
    You believe poison pills from the House are legislation--good day .
    if the GOP, had the power to bring bills to the floor of the senate, ...then why are all of those republican bills which have been passed in the house, have not found their way to that senate floor?

    so in your mind, anything you dont like is not legislation, and is not allowed.........hmmmmmmmmmm

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Going on a rant to defendthe indefensible is par for the course for you
    What was I defending? I didn't "defend" anything. I attacked your ludicrous factually incorrect statement. That's not "defending" anything.

    and the GOP which lies around every corner in their sabotage of ACA.
    Which is irrelevant to your own dishonesty, ignorance on this topic, or outright lying that you did when claiming that the ACA was essentially written by Republicans.

    Try Kentucky and get back to me.Thank your lucky stars this Christmas you don't need the Medicaid extension that 25 GOP governors are denying millions of citizens..Obviously you don't believe in preventative care for the uninsured--just go to the emergency room and raise both of our insurance rates..Try danarhea's story of a close friend who died due to lack of insurance, which PPACA would have given..Now go back to slinging insults and showing that you're for the GOP of hate and NO .
    Lets see. Distraction that doesn't address my point. Pointless emotional platitude to try and distract. Ignorant assumption of my beliefs in an effort to change the subject. Further attempt to distract from actually admitting your glaringly dishonest statement. And then baseless accusation.

    Truly, you've put up a wonderful defense of your outright falsehood.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Hey Zyphlin - you know there's no way that Christie would ever pick Rand Paul to be his running mate right? I doubt Nikki Haley too.

    Christie - if ever nominated - would pick someone similar to himself with a legal background - assuming Susana Martinez was interested in it I think she would be his top pick. Otherwise a moderate like Brian Sandoval. That's ONLY judging based on how he picked his running mate in the 2009 and 2013 election. And also some of his cabinet members too. And also a moderate.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    something I must have learned from Cons on DP..
    So? The fact others do it doesn't make it any ****tier of a tactic.

    When you bring nothing to the table as a bill yourself, trash others..
    I brought plenty to the table. I gave you SPECIFIC examples where Heritage Bill you use to suggest the GOP "Wrote" the ACA differs on significant issues with the ACA. You on the other hand are the one whose brought nothing to the table but attempts to distract rather than either admit your error OR counter my claims.

    Not exactly, as you mention later in your diatribe..
    Oh yes exactly, I can go get the quote for you. That's the wonderful thing with the internet. Your bull**** is kept for public record.

    Thank you for capitalizing your random, ridiculous, and singular words..
    Distraction again

    Imagine how well ACA would be doing with a LOYAL opposition..The GOPee and their supporters have ended all hope of collegiality and doomed the USA to "an enemy within" scenario.
    Look, a straw man again.

    What you just said has ZERO to do with my counter to your ridiculous claim that the GOP wrote the ACA

    The mistake again please
    Suggesting that the GOP wrote the ACA, whether you meant it literally or figuratively. In either case, it's factually incorrect and laughably wrong.

    Go with the individual quotes, it helps..
    It does help. It helps to show your utter dishonesty

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY
    I said hysterical fear, not historical fear, though the GOPees have more raw skin in the ACA law going back to when they wrote the damn thing during Reagan's 2nd term .
    Not only did the GOP not "write" the ACA, they suggestion put out by the Heritage Foundation during Reagan's 2nd term is not identical, or even LARGELY similar, to the PPACA. Rather, a few portions...such as the individual mandate...have some similarities. That's it. Your claim that they "wrote it", figuratively or literally, is just factually incorrect. I highlighted multiple examples of how they're STARKLY different, which you've yet to actually address as you've instead attempted to battle strawmen, move goal posts, and basically all around distract and deflect.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Hey Zyphlin - you know there's no way that Christie would ever pick Rand Paul to be his running mate right? I doubt Nikki Haley too.
    Well, thank you for your opinion. Given I've seen VERY little from you during your time on this forum, and from what I've seen it's been largely stereotypical in nature, please forgive me if your opinion isn't enough to deter me from stating my admittedly far fetched but hopeful ticket.

    Christie, being a relatively adept politician from what I've seen of him thus far, would be someone I could see understanding and recognizing the benefit of utilizing the Vice Presidential nomination as a means of securing a subsection of the voting block and adding to your totals. With any election requiring one to take a strong base and add moderates/independents/crossover votes to that number, I would assume Christie would have the foresight to see the problems other top of the ticket politicians have had in terms of the base and turnout/support and would utilize the VP selection to shore that up. Additionally, Rand Paul's connection with his father can potentially prove a boon for libertarian minded voters and with youth voters.

    Is it LIKELY he'd pick Rand? Probably not, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility nor do I think it's an absolute given he'd pick someone with a legal background. A national election is a majorly different animal than a state election and I don't know how much stock I'd put in the potential personnel choices he's made then (if he even really CHOOSES a running mate, which I'm not familiar with how that works in NJ but I know here in VA it isn't the case generally).

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Broken and short quoting--you get the last word here
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What was I defending? I didn't "defend" anything. I attacked your ludicrous factually incorrect statement. That's not "defending" anything.



    Which is irrelevant to your own dishonesty, ignorance on this topic, or outright lying that you did when claiming that the ACA was essentially written by Republicans.



    Lets see. Distraction that doesn't address my point. Pointless emotional platitude to try and distract. Ignorant assumption of my beliefs in an effort to change the subject. Further attempt to distract from actually admitting your glaringly dishonest statement. And then baseless accusation.

    Truly, you've put up a wonderful defense of your outright falsehood.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, thank you for your opinion. Given I've seen VERY little from you during your time on this forum, and from what I've seen it's been largely stereotypical in nature, please forgive me if your opinion isn't enough to deter me from stating my admittedly far fetched but hopeful ticket.

    Christie, being a relatively adept politician from what I've seen of him thus far, would be someone I could see understanding and recognizing the benefit of utilizing the Vice Presidential nomination as a means of securing a subsection of the voting block and adding to your totals. With any election requiring one to take a strong base and add moderates/independents/crossover votes to that number, I would assume Christie would have the foresight to see the problems other top of the ticket politicians have had in terms of the base and turnout/support and would utilize the VP selection to shore that up. Additionally, Rand Paul's connection with his father can potentially prove a boon for libertarian minded voters and with youth voters.

    Is it LIKELY he'd pick Rand? Probably not, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility nor do I think it's an absolute given he'd pick someone with a legal background. A national election is a majorly different animal than a state election and I don't know how much stock I'd put in the potential personnel choices he's made then (if he even really CHOOSES a running mate, which I'm not familiar with how that works in NJ but I know here in VA it isn't the case generally).
    I do not like hearing that "newby" talk just because you have been on "this" forum for 8 years and were given moderator status and think that means that any new person to this forum's opinion doesn't matter against your's - if you really feel that way then perhaps don't welcome the idea of allowing new people in here. I have been through the Marines, military school, martial arts, studied criminology, philosophy, politics - been elected to my County's Republican Committee in 2008. I've been around the internet for years - and have links to my blogs and other things that you can read more about me and my opinions and such. I won't disrespect you for disagreeing with me so please do not pull that on me.

    I am not stereotypical (at least not entirely) but then again I'm not perfect. I have my beliefs that I feel very strongly about. People are required to stand up and fight for what they believe in - even if they disagree. You can disagree with me and I can still respect you. I can enjoy disagreements and debates - after that, that's what this forum is about, no?

    Anyway - Reagan who was a conservative chose a moderate in 1980 (and again in 1984) - and in the lead up to the 1976 GOP National Convention - actually announced that if nominated, that a liberal Republican U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania named Richard Schweiker would have been his running mate - which likely hurt his chances there - but anyway, I do not normally see moderates picking conservative running mates.

    I don't think Christie is a good choice. He supports Gun Control & NSA Spying. And he sells out on GOP both nationally and in his state, and helps out Democrats more than he does GOP - under the disguise of working together. I don't think people care who is working together, if it isn't in the best interest of the people.

    I like Rand Paul and don't necessarily consider him a bad choice, although occasionally I see him sell out on his principles by supporting Mitt Romney in 2012, and Mitch McConnell in 2014 - and also by accepting Obamacare. I usually like how he votes on legislation in the Senate (except for his Yay vote on the confirmation of Chuck Hagel as Defense Secretary).

    I do not know much about Nikki Haley's policies other than that she is for the Tea Party - which is good.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    You get the last word here also on playing word Semantics..You also admitted that my false statement about the ACA being written by the GOP might not have been literal..On its merits, that statement was wrong, I admit it..And you stomped it to death in what seems a dozen paragraphs..I'll take that as a compliment to be held to a higher standard than others around here who speak incorrectly--Notice I didn't need to tirade on words like lie and dishonest .
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So? The fact others do it doesn't make it any ****tier of a tactic.



    I brought plenty to the table. I gave you SPECIFIC examples where Heritage Bill you use to suggest the GOP "Wrote" the ACA differs on significant issues with the ACA. You on the other hand are the one whose brought nothing to the table but attempts to distract rather than either admit your error OR counter my claims.



    Oh yes exactly, I can go get the quote for you. That's the wonderful thing with the internet. Your bull**** is kept for public record.



    Distraction again



    Look, a straw man again.

    What you just said has ZERO to do with my counter to your ridiculous claim that the GOP wrote the ACA



    Suggesting that the GOP wrote the ACA, whether you meant it literally or figuratively. In either case, it's factually incorrect and laughably wrong.



    It does help. It helps to show your utter dishonesty



    Not only did the GOP not "write" the ACA, they suggestion put out by the Heritage Foundation during Reagan's 2nd term is not identical, or even LARGELY similar, to the PPACA. Rather, a few portions...such as the individual mandate...have some similarities. That's it. Your claim that they "wrote it", figuratively or literally, is just factually incorrect. I highlighted multiple examples of how they're STARKLY different, which you've yet to actually address as you've instead attempted to battle strawmen, move goal posts, and basically all around distract and deflect.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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    Apollo Alliance Writing Legislation.... Stimulus Bill, Cap and Trade Bill, Healthcare Bill? who knows

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If stupid people were prevented from voting, both parties might actually have to run on substance and a good platform and plan rather than "don't let gays get married" or "My health care reform is better than your nearly identical health care reform."
    I don't disagree.

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