View Poll Results: REPUBLICANS ONLY PLEASE- YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR 2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT

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  • Ted Cruz

    51 30.36%
  • Rand Paul

    50 29.76%
  • Marco Rubio

    2 1.19%
  • Mike Huckabee

    2 1.19%
  • Chris Christie

    18 10.71%
  • Rick Perry

    2 1.19%
  • Rick Santorum

    12 7.14%
  • Jon Huntsman

    12 7.14%
  • Paul Ryan

    4 2.38%
  • Other (Please specify)

    15 8.93%
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    You should be happy with this Congress then..They have done as little as any congress, except for the last congress..
    Except for the filibusters to keep judicial and executive positions open..
    And then fill them when they take over, as we saw with GWB when you guys Obama-nized Clinton .
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    we have seen, that when congress no matter which party controls it, ...[government grows]

    laws curtail people's behavior,.......... if all congress does is create law on top of law,...then what happens to liberty?......it shrinks, until there is none.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So who is happier over CC's "bridge-gate", the DEms or the TEAs??

    When I hear former RNC chief Michael Steele defending CC on Matthews,
    I know this is a BFD ..
    I don't know enough about it to make a comment, but don't think Hillary doesn't have sufficient baggage for the Republicans to focus on - all candidates have something - it's mostly who has the most upside in the group.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Heh, there's always one guy in the room who doesn't get the joke. Guess this time it's you.
    When a so called joke goes flat it is the teller of the so called joke that needs to examine their delivery if not also the content.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    When does the good of the Nation become more paramount than a single state??
    Surely Senators have gone against their home states based on privy intel..
    Not saying that PPACA is privy intel..
    What do you make of the hysterical fear the GOP has over ACA ?
    historical fear? I do not think that is it. It goes back to private sector vs. public sector. Back to the third tenet conservative tenet of small government. A fear of an over reaching and all powerful central government. I wonder where the GOP stance would have been if instead of destroying the whole old system, the Democrats came up with a VA style system to take care of those uninsured who were too poor to afford it. I think the key words here is too poor to afford it. The CNN truth squad said out of the 30-40 million uninsured, 13 million of them had incomes of $50,000 or more suggesting that they could buy insurance if they desired. Another 14 million were eligible for medicare or medicaid, but hadn't enrolled. This latter number I think is being proven as we see a huge jump now enrolling in medicaid. Perhaps a lot of this later number never knew they were eligible. If so, the ACA has been a good thing to them if they can use medicaid to see a doctor. That is becoming another problem.

    We will just have to wait and see what happens over the next 11 months with the ACA, most of everything that has been said about, either for or against has been just theories as to what will happen. Now things are actually starting to happen. Since the web site has been for the most part fixed, the Democrats have started to rebound some, in the Generic congressional poll the Democrats saw and 8 point lead on 1 November vanish and fell two points behind the Republicans a week ago. Today they are now back up by one. President Obama approval rating had dipped to 39% and has now climbed back up to 42%. The only question left, is this a lasting y trend or a bump in the road?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    I said hysterical fear, not historical fear, though the GOPees have more raw skin in the ACA law going back to when they wrote the damn thing during Reagan's 2nd term .
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    historical fear? I do not think that is it. It goes back to private sector vs. public sector. Back to the third tenet conservative tenet of small government. A fear of an over reaching and all powerful central government. I wonder where the GOP stance would have been if instead of destroying the whole old system, the Democrats came up with a VA style system to take care of those uninsured who were too poor to afford it. I think the key words here is too poor to afford it. The CNN truth squad said out of the 30-40 million uninsured, 13 million of them had incomes of $50,000 or more suggesting that they could buy insurance if they desired. Another 14 million were eligible for medicare or medicaid, but hadn't enrolled. This latter number I think is being proven as we see a huge jump now enrolling in medicaid. Perhaps a lot of this later number never knew they were eligible. If so, the ACA has been a good thing to them if they can use medicaid to see a doctor. That is becoming another problem.

    We will just have to wait and see what happens over the next 11 months with the ACA, most of everything that has been said about, either for or against has been just theories as to what will happen. Now things are actually starting to happen. Since the web site has been for the most part fixed, the Democrats have started to rebound some, in the Generic congressional poll the Democrats saw and 8 point lead on 1 November vanish and fell two points behind the Republicans a week ago. Today they are now back up by one. President Obama approval rating had dipped to 39% and has now climbed back up to 42%. The only question left, is this a lasting y trend or a bump in the road?
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I said hysterical fear, not historical fear, though the GOPees have more raw skin in the ACA law going back to when they wrote the damn thing during Reagan's 2nd term .
    The Republicans wrote the ACA? Now I know the Heritage Foundation or another conservative think tank a decade or two ago came up with a plan similar to or had parts of it in their plan. But the vast majority of Republicans said no way to them. Apparently the Democrats liked the Heritage Plan as it seems they adopted quite a lot of it where most Republicans nixed. So that may be your answer, the Republicans didn't like it when the Heritage Foundation came up with it and they still don't. Who knows. But to say Republicans wrote this version of the ACA is asinine, every two year kid knows better.

    My question, what I do not understand is why the Democrats instead of borrowing a lot of junk from the Heritage Foundation plan did come up with ideas of their own? This never made sense to me. But that is life.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't know enough about it to make a comment, but don't think Hillary doesn't have sufficient baggage for the Republicans to focus on - all candidates have something - it's mostly who has the most upside in the group.
    We're all about "baggage" in the USA aren't we?
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You should be happy with this Congress then..They have done as little as any congress, except for the last congress..
    Except for the filibusters to keep judicial and executive positions open..
    And then fill them when they take over, as we saw with GWB when you guys Obama-nized Clinton .
    actually no, the house has passed a lot of legislation, and i mean a lot...but its has not gone anywhere becuase harry reid, will not bring it to the floor of the senate.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I said hysterical fear, not historical fear, though the GOPees have more raw skin in the ACA law going back to when they wrote the damn thing during Reagan's 2nd term .
    God I wish people would stop blatantly lying and/or being blatantly dishonest about this.

    Since I don't know if you're ignoring reality and facts, or if you just don't know it, I'm not going to waste to much of my time and just repost my previous comment on this absolutely false statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I’m still amazed you’re pushing this idiotic trope. The Law (PPACA) wasn't conceived by the Heritage Foundation, and continuing to repeat this idiotic talking point either shows you to be wantonly dishonest or extremely ignorant on this topic. There are a multitude of differences between the ACA and the health care proposals made by the Heritage Foundation (Which formed the foundation for the oft referenced ’93 bill that was supported, and then quickly rejected, by Republicans).

    For example, the Heritage Foundation’s plan didn’t deem individuals up to the age of 27 as “children”. Rather than a significant Medicaid expansion, it suggested to reform welfare under the same principles Heritage pushed for welfare reform allowing states more “flexability” (including to reduce coverage). It even included a Medicare vouchering system similar to Paul Ryan’s proposal; something ACA doesn’t have.

    This of course doesn’t even touch on the notion that you’re referencing a single instance TWENTY YEARS AGO that ignores the fact that individuals beliefs, views, ideas, and solutions can be impacted by the context of the time and situation one is living in. For example, the notion that emergency rooms must treat anyone that comes is a common notion today, a simple fact of life. In ’89, this was a new legislative reality and people on all sides were spitballing in a reactionary manner. Still, even ignoring the glaring contextual differences (and even some significantly policy difference) the only thing you really have is that both mandate health insurance in some fashion or to some degree (and even that isn't exactly similar).

    Claiming that the ACA was “Conceived” by the Heritage Foundation because it has some similar provisions is akin to saying the David Bowie “Conceived” Ice Ice Baby because they included the same hook.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    God I wish people would stop blatantly lying and/or being blatantly dishonest about this.

    Since I don't know if you're ignoring reality and facts, or if you just don't know it, I'm not going to waste to much of my time and just repost my previous comment on this absolutely false statement:
    And though state exchanges were GOP ideas, the GOP refuses to open these exchanges they control..From your post, I'm assuming it is okay to call someone a liar or blatantly dishonest upstairs..You should join the current D. ISSA road show of deceit to equate "navigators" with Acorn .
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