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2016 Republican Primary

REPUBLICANS ONLY PLEASE- YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR 2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT

  • Ted Cruz

    Votes: 8 10.0%

  • Rand Paul

    Votes: 23 28.8%

  • Marco Rubio

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Mike Huckabee

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Chris Christie

    Votes: 16 20.0%

  • Rick Perry

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Rick Santorum

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Jon Huntsman

    Votes: 11 13.8%

  • Paul Ryan

    Votes: 4 5.0%

  • Other (Please specify)

    Votes: 12 15.0%
  • Total voters
    80
specklebang said:
Uh, I think you don't realize that I'm not a Republican or a Conservative. I'm just a very logic driven independent and my commentary on candidates is just my view, not my direction or desire.

So, I view Christie as the most electable and he most plausible from what I can tell. As an expert, my rating is zero on a scale of ten. I just express my thoughts here, I don't take sides except when te topic is narrow and specific and I feel that I have something useful to contribute.

IMHO the 2008 election was for or against Bush. His term slid into the election like sewage draining downhill. I doubt any Republican could have won in 2008. In 2012, the GOP self-destructed or they could have won. Romney was a dubious choice who made one error after another during the campaign. He wasn't a "bad man", just a "poor choice", and that had little to do with his "moderation".
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Christie isn't all that he is cracked up to be. On the national stage, he would crumble like Romney did in 2012. There's a lot of skeletons in Christie's closet, which is why Romney didn't pick Christie to be his running mate. It would all come out in a national campaign. Sometimes the media doesn't report these things on "prospective" candidates on purpose. They like to build up potential candidates - so that the reporter who takes them down AFTER they announce, get more fame, prominence, success, and power.

Even though Ted Cruz is my most favorite, I think Mike Huckabee is the most electable potential 2016 Republican candidate. He was Governor for almost 10 years. And he has been in the top 3 - close to being runner up in 2008 GOP Primary, right behind McCain and Romney. Running for President (or Vice President) before usually seems to help a lot of GOP candidates, as they are usually better tested on the national stage - and are also viewed differently than a lot of the first time candidates - the one who ran before and came close to winning usually has a sense of prominence and experience about them that Republican voters seem to like.
 
Tothian said:
Can you give some examples please? If not who, then describe an ideal candidate.

There are others I thought of mentioning but there was a 10 candidate limit. I would've also added Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Nikki Haley, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Scott Brown, Ben Carson, Donald Trump, Mary Fallin.
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That's just it, I am not sure exactly who I am looking for yet. I want a true conservative but I know we will have to settle for a moderate and frankly I am sick of settling. Seriously considering sitting the next one out or voting third party if a great candidate doesn't emerge. It's early so I still need to look into alot of these.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will go with the prediction of the late great David Broder. (yeah he was a lib but his son was a suite mate of mine in College-great guy)

ROBERT PORTMAN-R-Ohio
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Thanks! I was gonna ask who the 3 "Others" were. At least I got one now for Rob Portman.

14 votes in.

Jon Huntsman 35.71%
Ted Cruz 14.29%
Rand Paul 14.29%
Other 14.29% (would be 21.43 but 1/3 of the 3 votes was a write-in for Rob Portman)
Mike Huckabee 7.14%
Chris Christie 7.14%
Rob Portman (write-in) 7.14%
 
This is terrible.
 
Dirt Racer said:
That's just it, I am not sure exactly who I am looking for yet. I want a true conservative but I know we will have to settle for a moderate and frankly I am sick of settling. Seriously considering sitting the next one out or voting third party if a great candidate doesn't emerge. It's early so I still need to look into alot of these.
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1- Don't lose hope. It is possible that we can elect a conservative if we let the voters know of their mistakes. Plus with Obamacare failures it will likely help the conservatives.

2- Every vote counts. So if they do make that mistake, then vote for a 3rd party. Regardless of whether or not you think they will win - it will still count as a vote against the establishment. Jesse Ventura 2016 if the GOP don't nominate a good candidate. If he can get to the debates, he can win the debates, and a long shot but possibly, the Presidency. Nobody expected him to be elected Mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota. Or Governor of Minnesota. And he has been talking about running for years, so the idea is out there. He could get a big following.
 
Tothian said:
GO TED CRUZ GO!

Remember, Republicans, Ted Cruz did a 21 hour (sort of) filibuster against Obamacare. Although technically not a filibuster, he stood on the Senate floor for 21 hours and spoke non stop and didn't even seem to get tired at all. He did that for our freedom.
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That's kinda like masturbating for our freedom or taking a dump for our freedom. Both of those are things Cruz has also done for 21 hours.
 
reinoe said:
That's kinda like masturbating for our freedom or taking a dump for our freedom. Both of those are things Cruz has also done for 21 hours.
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LOL! That's a pretty funny analogy, even though I disagree with your message.

I feel like Ted Cruz is one of the few Senators who is doing what is right. Because McCain, Graham, Feinstein.... no... just, no.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will go with the prediction of the late great David Broder. (yeah he was a lib but his son was a suite mate of mine in College-great guy)

ROBERT PORTMAN-R-Ohio
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Listening to Portman is liking watching paint dry, unless he clumsily tries to tack right..I'm surprised you guys aren't looking at Gov. Pence .
 
NIMBY said:
Listening to Portman is liking watching paint dry, unless he clumsily tries to tack right..I'm surprised you guys aren't looking at Gov. Pence .
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Portman is one of the 2-3 smartest people in the senate and one of the top budget experts. He also is well liked on both sides of the aisle and a solid conservative who is not a bomb thrower
 
Tothian said:
Rand Paul did accept Obamacare.
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NIMBY said:
Would you prefer Paul and his family have no insurance?
Both Paul but especially McConnell face huge dilemmas in KY where a state and federal exchange are working quite well due to KY's Dem. governor..
Imagine what might be happening with ACA if the 25 GOP states weren't obstructing ?
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Tothian, NIMY is right. I'm but Rand following the law does not mean he supports ObamaCare. I follow him closely (and many of his advisors) and I know his strong opposition to it. I would suggest you have a very lame argument.
 
TurtleDude said:
I go for electability first. Purists I call Dem voters.

Like all the assholes who stayed home because they didn't Like Romney's faith or they didn't think he was conservative enough so they gave us four more years of Obamatardation. And the bible thumping bigots will probably get their panties in a wad over Rob's son Will being Gay.
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Electability won't matter if the candidate doesn't have what it takes to reverse our path in a short amount of time. Following the Constitution is a big pre-requisite with me as well. Besides, the so-called electable candidates have a record of losing. Even if it is because the conservatives and libertarians stay home, that puts a dent in their "electability".

If you want to make any Republican look more electable, help nominate Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate.
 
Read his biography - he's actually a lot more interesting than he looks.

Governor Pence would more likely have a better chance if he was re-elected Governor in 2016 and then ran for President or Vice President in 2020 or 2024.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
Electability won't matter if the candidate doesn't have what it takes to reverse our path in a short amount of time. Following the Constitution is a big pre-requisite with me as well. Besides, the so-called electable candidates have a record of losing. Even if it is because the conservatives and libertarians stay home, that puts a dent in their "electability".

If you want to make any Republican look more electable, help nominate Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate.
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the most important thing a president does is appoint judges. If al gore or poodle boy Kerry was president in 2005, we would have lost the Heller and McDonald Decision because we would have had another radical lesbian or two on the court rather than Alito and Roberts. and no matter which GOP candidate is president, you will get almost the same judges because the same people will be vetting the judges be it Portman, Cruz, Rubio or Christie. same with the Dems.
 
Tothian said:
GO TED CRUZ GO!

Remember, Republicans, Ted Cruz did a 21 hour (sort of) filibuster against Obamacare. Although technically not a filibuster, he stood on the Senate floor for 21 hours and spoke non stop and didn't even seem to get tired at all. He did that for our freedom. Despite annoying a lot of the Democrats and moderate Republicans in the Senate.

We need someone willing to stand up for the people - not someone who is willing to cater and compromise on what is right. We need to really know where the President stands on the issues - and to know that they will protect and defend our freedom.
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He did it for self promotion, a 21 hour wankfest that was a complete waste of time and money.
 
TurtleDude said:
I go for electability first. Purists I call Dem voters.

Like all the assholes who stayed home because they didn't Like Romney's faith or they didn't think he was conservative enough so they gave us four more years of Obamatardation. And the bible thumping bigots will probably get their panties in a wad over Rob's son Will being Gay.
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People who say they base their votes off of how electable they think the candidates are - have no real opinions for themselves. They are followers, not leaders. They have no confidence that they can actually send out a message to influence people to make the right decision - so they go with the "easy" choice. So that they can feel proud that they voted for the winner. Because someone else told them that it was a good idea.

I think that is a bad idea. I think if we elected the candidates that we knew were best - then we would both nominate and elect better candidates.
 
beefheart said:
He did it for self promotion, a 21 hour wankfest that was a complete waste of time and money.
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I think Obamacare (which should be called Obamadontcare) is an even bigger waste of time and money. Ted Cruz did the right thing. He has shown us that he is willing to go above and beyond how far others have went - just to do what is right for America.
 
Tothian said:
People who say they base their votes off of how electable they think the candidates are - have no real opinions for themselves. They are followers, not leaders. They have no confidence that they can actually send out a message to influence people to make the right decision - so they go with the "easy" choice. So that they can feel proud that they voted for the winner. Because someone else told them that it was a good idea.

I think that is a bad idea. I think if we elected the candidates that we knew were best - then we would both nominate and elect better candidates.
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I am tired of "purists" in the Republican party handing elections to Democrats and giving us people like Kagan on the USSC instead of People like Miguel Estrada and Peter keisler
 
TurtleDude said:
the most important thing a president does is appoint judges. If al gore or poodle boy Kerry was president in 2005, we would have lost the Heller and McDonald Decision because we would have had another radical lesbian or two on the court rather than Alito and Roberts. and no matter which GOP candidate is president, you will get almost the same judges because the same people will be vetting the judges be it Portman, Cruz, Rubio or Christie. same with the Dems.
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I won't dispute that. Although, more Constitutionally sound Republicans will appoint better judges than standard Republicans, even if Republican-appointed judges are much better on a whole than Democrats.

The problem with the Bush-candidate strategy is that he created a lot of the problems we are suffering with today. The only reason liberals dislike him is because he is Texan and a Republican. Otherwise they would like his policies for the most part.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
I won't dispute that. Although, more Constitutionally sound Republicans will appoint better judges than standard Republicans, even if Republican-appointed judges are much better on a whole than Democrats.

The problem with the Bush-candidate strategy is that he created a lot of the problems we are suffering with today. The only reason liberals dislike him is because he is Texan and a Republican. Otherwise they would like his policies for the most part.
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that is not true

the president looks to the senators and congressmen of a given state to fill

1) the district court judges in that state

2) the Circuit appellate judges whose seats are in that state

for USSC judges, its generally the ranking senators in his party on the judiciary committee and in the case of the GOP, the Federalist society leadership.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to crash your "party". But don't be concerned, I voted for the guy that most of you voted for. I would prefer for our candidate to face Cruz more than any other candidate. Forgive me, but I consider him to be the weakest candidate at the national level and would love to see Clinton clean up on him. I've always said...I love the RINO hating conservatives.
 
17 votes in.

Jon Hunstman 35.29%
Ted Cruz 17.65%
Rand Paul 11.76%
Chris Christie 11.76%
Other 11.76%
Mike Huckabee 5.88%
Rob Portman 5.88%
 
alexpinca said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to crash your "party". But don't be concerned, I voted for the guy that most of you voted for. I would prefer for our candidate to face Cruz more than any other candidate. Forgive me, but I consider him to be the weakest candidate at the national level and would love to see Clinton clean up on him. I've always said...I love the RINO hating conservatives.
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That's one thing that really makes me sad. Why would ANYONE be so deceived in to wanting to support a woman who wants to take away your freedom and privacy - and then condemn the guy who wants to protect it? What is wrong with America?

Hillary Clinton has been known for ethics violation every single time she has ever been given any position of power - ever. Even when she was fired from the Watergate hearings. All the way to Ben "What difference does it make?" Ghazi?

In 1980, Jimmy Carter led Ronald Reagan by wide margins. But once the campaign actually started - and the candidates got to debate - people began to see the truth.

Don't let media force how you think. Ted Cruz would be the most formidable Republican candidate in 2016.
 
TurtleDude said:
I go for electability first. Purists I call Dem voters.
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I knew that..

Like all the assholes who stayed home because they didn't Like Romney's faith or they didn't think he was conservative enough so they gave us four more years of Obamatardation.
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Are you saying that both Dems and GOPs have purist assholes??
And the bible thumping bigots will probably get their panties in a wad over Rob's son Will being Gay.
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Portman is sane and normal..If Ohio must elect a Republican to the Senate, please keep Portman there .
 
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