View Poll Results: REPUBLICANS ONLY PLEASE- YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR 2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT

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  • Ted Cruz

    51 30.36%
  • Rand Paul

    50 29.76%
  • Marco Rubio

    2 1.19%
  • Mike Huckabee

    2 1.19%
  • Chris Christie

    18 10.71%
  • Rick Perry

    2 1.19%
  • Rick Santorum

    12 7.14%
  • Jon Huntsman

    12 7.14%
  • Paul Ryan

    4 2.38%
  • Other (Please specify)

    15 8.93%
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
    No. That's a lie - and the fact that they both lost proves it.

    Mike Huckabee could have won either time had he been the nominee. Mitt Romney was not viewed as more likeable than Obama. Huckabee is - and wouldn't have made those same gaffes that Romney made. Mitt Romney only had 4 years of being Governor. Obama had 4 years of being President. Mike Huckabee had nearly 10 years of being Governor, and before that, just less than 3 years of being the Lieutenant Governor - elected Arkansas' second Republican as Lieutenant Governor since reconstruction (in a special election in 1993 then [re-]elected to a full term the following year). The last Republican before him was elected in 1966 and served 1 term from 1967 to 1971. Huckabee then became Governor finishing an unexpired term and then elected Governor twice in his own right.

    And to disagree with me about that would be to say that Brian Sandoval was unelectable as Governor in Nevada in 2010 because of the unpopularity of his predecessor Jim Gibbons.

    You might then reply "Oh, well Brian Sandoval ran against him in the primary and beat him" and that is true. Brian Sandoval won that primary 55% to 27%.

    Then comes to questions. Assuming third terms were allowed, and Bush were to seek it - considering his low unpopularity and America's foolish obsession with "electability" rather than standing up for ideals they believe in - he would have had other primary opponents that year and likely not been renominated.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Huntsman depends on whether his Dad wants to fut the bill..
    We have a hedge-funder billionaire-type in Illinois you may have seen all over the TV..
    Rauner is backed by "ALL" big-money in the GOP for governor and he's not even bothering with his primary foes until he needs to..
    Rauner's been hammering Quinn on FOX at local commercial, along with sporting events and full-time on E$PN..
    I can't see Quinn stopping him, which is why so many GOPs in the state legislature went against their leadership
    and voted no on our pension disaster, just to play politics with Rauner..
    Check Rauner out with his "phony" Carhartt gear during ads, well-spoken..
    He likes vest jackets, just to be "one of the boys"..
    IMO, it's a done deal--Gov. Rauner .
    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
    No Republican could have won in 2008. Romney was very much electable, and came within 3-4 points of Obama. Ultimately Obama had the advantage of incumbancy and Romney was not charismatic. Reagan defeated Carter because he had charisma and even he was more open to compromise than Cruz.

    The problem with people like Tothian is they believe there really is a majority of this nation who agrees with the Ted Cruz vision for America, which they do not. There is a majority that will vote for a center-right candidate, but not the far-right. Sometimes I feel we need to give these guys the far-right candidate they want so they see how it works out. I actually hope the GOP nominates Cruz or Paul or somebody like that next time because we can finally have a test case to see if it actually works. I doubt it will, but I will vote for them over Hillary, but if it doesn't how will those who say the GOP needs to become more conservative to win respond?

    There is nothing wrong with wanting somebody who agrees with you to be president, but there is a difference between wanting that and it actually being achievable. I respect somebody if they only want somebody as conservative as Cruz, that is their opinion and they are entitled to it. What I can't wrap my mind around is that they actually think it will happen.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    No. That's a lie - and the fact that they both lost proves it.
    Lies are not policy or who loses an election..
    I assure you this poster, who is more conserv than I, does not lie .
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Mike Huckabee could have won either time had he been the nominee.
    Huckabee is currently being trashed by the same people you are trashing..
    Huckabee is being trashed by those trashing Boehner..
    Notice how you are wrong on Huckabee..
    Notice I did not call you a liar .
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
    I think that Thompson could have if he had stayed in the race and survived the primaries. McCain was a horrible republican mistake. They tied one hand behind their back with that primary choice.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    No. That's a lie - and the fact that they both lost proves it.
    No it doesn't. Just because they failed does not mean someone else would've done better.
    Mike Huckabee could have won either time had he been the nominee. Mitt Romney was not viewed as more likeable than Obama. Huckabee is - and wouldn't have made those same gaffes that Romney made. Mitt Romney only had 4 years of being Governor. Obama had 4 years of being President. Mike Huckabee had nearly 10 years of being Governor, and before that, just less than 3 years of being the Lieutenant Governor - elected Arkansas' second Republican as Lieutenant Governor since reconstruction (in a special election in 1993 then [re-]elected to a full term the following year). The last Republican before him was elected in 1966 and served 1 term from 1967 to 1971. Huckabee then became Governor finishing an unexpired term and then elected Governor twice in his own right.
    Huckabee had his flaws. The social issues he ran on don't play well with the national audience. I doubt he would've done better than McCain.

    And to disagree with me about that would be to say that Brian Sandoval was unelectable as Governor in Nevada in 2010 because of the unpopularity of his predecessor Jim Gibbons.

    You might then reply "Oh, well Brian Sandoval ran against him in the primary and beat him" and that is true. Brian Sandoval won that primary 55% to 27%.
    There was more than the unpopularity of Bush. Obama ran a great campaign in 2008, unlike Rory Reid. The fact that Sandoval also got to run directly against the unpopularity in the primary also helped, which no one in 2008 was able to do. He also ran in a Republican wave year, rather than the Democratic wave year of 2008. Of those running, none would've beaten him or likely done better than McCain.

    Then comes to questions. Assuming third terms were allowed, and Bush were to seek it - considering his low unpopularity and America's foolish obsession with "electability" rather than standing up for ideals they believe in - he would have had other primary opponents that year and likely not been renominated.
    Electability is important. It shouldn't be the only thing by any means, but it should definitely factor in.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Huckabee is currently being trashed by the same people you are trashing..
    Huckabee is being trashed by those trashing Boehner..
    Notice how you are wrong on Huckabee..
    Notice I did not call you a liar .
    Huckabee had a huge image problem the first go around, he allowed the dems to typecast him and that's a political no no. And anyone standing with Boehner is going to get trashed and well deserved too. Boehner is the poster boy for RINOs everywhere and the left's best advert for their own candidates. He's what the dems want republicans to be. Beatable at every turn.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I think that Thompson could have if he had stayed in the race and survived the primaries. McCain was a horrible republican mistake. They tied one hand behind their back with that primary choice.
    Thompson wouldn't have. He ran a horrible campaign and was particularly gaffe prone. Huckabee's social issue focus hurts him in a primary election. Ron Paul is seen as too far out on the fringes. Alan Keyes was too far out there and of course we all saw Romney's deficiencies last year. Although he still had a better chance than Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, or Cain would've. The only one I could see being comparable to McCain would be Giuliani, but I seriously doubt he would've won either. 2008 was a perfect storm for the Democrats, its highly unlikely anyone would've beaten Obama.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    As long as your TEA-wing exists clownboy, we won't be reaching permanent grand-bargains like the one that went down in flames in July of 2011..
    I even supported Sen. Coburn's 8-for-1 swap just to get a permanent deal..
    Your wing has prevented a balanced budget, which we would have had next year .
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Huckabee had a huge image problem the first go around, he allowed the dems to typecast him and that's a political no no. And anyone standing with Boehner is going to get trashed and well deserved too. Boehner is the poster boy for RINOs everywhere and the left's best advert for their own candidates. He's what the dems want republicans to be. Beatable at every turn.
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