View Poll Results: REPUBLICANS ONLY PLEASE- YOUR TOP CHOICE FOR 2016 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT

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  • Ted Cruz

    51 30.36%
  • Rand Paul

    50 29.76%
  • Marco Rubio

    2 1.19%
  • Mike Huckabee

    2 1.19%
  • Chris Christie

    18 10.71%
  • Rick Perry

    2 1.19%
  • Rick Santorum

    12 7.14%
  • Jon Huntsman

    12 7.14%
  • Paul Ryan

    4 2.38%
  • Other (Please specify)

    15 8.93%
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Thread: 2016 Republican Primary

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I wouldn't really count Solicitor General as a leadership position. But really nitpicking about whether Obama or Cruz has less experience is pointless, considering how very little they both have, and neither have any executive.



    The problem isn't that he's disagreeing with them politically, which he should do. It's plenty possible to disagree politically without making outright personal enemies. The problem is that they, and many other members of both caucuses, hate him personally. Considering as President he'll have to work with them to get any of what you want done, done, that is not a good way to start. Rand Paul, on the other hand has the same positions as Cruz, but by all accounts is liked by members of both caucuses.



    Obamacare does need to be repealed. The government shutdown was something that only hindered that cause, and it was pretty obvious beforehand that its all it would do. Yet Cruz decided to go through with something that would only hurt his "cause" anyway. It smells like a publicity stunt at the expense of actually trying to bring down Obamacare.



    I don't need your condescension.



    Well if some random internet person tells me to trust them, then gosh darn I'd better.

    1- Well if there are no good candidates with experience, I'd rather vote for a candidate I agree with more than an "experienced" candidate. Not that experience is bad. It's important for them to have. If only voters would elect better Governors...

    2- I don't care if they hate Ted Cruz. We can have them all voted out in 2014, and 2016 - that'd be about 2/3 of the Senate. And then in President Ted Cruz' first midterm election in 2018, elect more like Ted Cruz. Problem solved. And as for the House, well, they can be voted out every 2 years! We can start 2 years early in 2014.

    3- Something crazy needed to be done. Something to really get people's attention because obviously not enough was being done to repeal Obamacare. You can call it a publicity stunt and it was - but not a selfish one. Ted Cruz could just sit back and agree with everyone and be loved by everyone - at the expense of America - like so many of the others - but he isn't doing that. He is standing up to the corrupt washington elite that over 90% of America does not approve of anyway.

    4- Nobody "needs" to eat Pizza to survive. But they need to eat to survive. And pizza does taste really good.

    5- I'm not some random internet person. My name is Tothian, and I destroy evil.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    So who is happier over CC's "bridge-gate", the DEms or the TEAs??
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nobody's really even thinking in terms of 2016 right now -
    won't really become interesting until the 2014 midterm fallout is fully appreciated.
    When I hear former RNC chief Michael Steele defending CC on Matthews,
    I know this is a BFD ..
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    2- I don't care if they hate Ted Cruz. We can have them all voted out in 2014, and 2016 - that'd be about 2/3 of the Senate. And then in President Ted Cruz' first midterm election in 2018,
    Cruz will lose his Senate reelection in 2018 to one of the Castro brothers .
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    1- Well if there are no good candidates with experience, I'd rather vote for a candidate I agree with more than an "experienced" candidate. Not that experience is bad. It's important for them to have. If only voters would elect better Governors...
    Experience isn't a dealbreaker to me, but it is one of Cruz's many flaws.

    2- I don't care if they hate Ted Cruz. We can have them all voted out in 2014, and 2016 - that'd be about 2/3 of the Senate. And then in President Ted Cruz' first midterm election in 2018, elect more like Ted Cruz. Problem solved. And as for the House, well, they can be voted out every 2 years! We can start 2 years early in 2014.
    That's not even remotely realistic. Maybe if you could elect every single member of Congress to be like Ted Cruz, than a Cruz presidency would work, but there is no chance in hell of that happening ever.

    3- Something crazy needed to be done. Something to really get people's attention because obviously not enough was being done to repeal Obamacare. You can call it a publicity stunt and it was - but not a selfish one. Ted Cruz could just sit back and agree with everyone and be loved by everyone - at the expense of America - like so many of the others - but he isn't doing that. He is standing up to the corrupt washington elite that over 90% of America does not approve of anyway.
    The problem is that he did it in a way that unabashedly helped Obamacare. He helped it, he most likely knew that he was helping it, and he did it anyway.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    1- Well if there are no good candidates with experience, I'd rather vote for a candidate I agree with more than an "experienced" candidate. Not that experience is bad. It's important for them to have. If only voters would elect better Governors...
    Over 30 governors are Republicans and you're complaining?!?!?!
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

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    Cruz, Paul, Huckabee, Perry and Santorum are unelectable in a national election. Sorry folks, but it is the truth. Unless Democrats nominate Kucinich or something, but against Hillary not a one of them will win.

    Hunstman can never win a GOP primary. I know that they do nominate moderates but Huntsman is simply too unaplogetically moderate. He's only moved MORE toward the center while people like Romney and McCain moved to the right. I wouldn't be surprised if Huntsman pulls a Charlie Crist and announces he is becoming an Independent or Democrat in the future.

    That leaves Rubio, Christie and Ryan. Rubio strikes me as something of a hack, I'm not sure if he has many core convictions. He was a Tea Party guy when it was popular, but now he's getting more moderate because he thinks the Tea Party wave has passed.

    Christie I like, he checks most of the the right boxes. His main crime from the far-right's perspective is he hasn't used a conspiratorial tone or questioned Obama's birth certificate. He is elected in a blue state. I'm not sure what all these purists want. Do you really think swing states are going to vote for somebody like Ted Cruz?

    Ryan is another good one, but I think he could possibly move up to majority leader or speaker in a future Congress. Of course maybe he is a RINO now, I don't know, I don't keep tabs on who has been excommunicated from the One Holy Church of True Conservatism but I heard some calling him a sell-out a few months ago.
    I'm sure you would've said the same thing in 2000 that George Bush was unelectable. Or even more-so in 1980 that Ronald Reagan was the most unelectable candidate against Jimmy Carter! OR, how John McCain was the most electable candidate against Obama in 2008. Or that Mitt Romney was the most electable against Obama!

    Admittedly, Huckabee is the most electable - he is experienced, and likeable. Ted Cruz is my favorite. He's also very inspirational but the lying liberal media tries to decide how you will see him. They will try to make him seem unlikeable and unelectable - but they are wrong. Put Ted Cruz - the man who single handedly stood against the masses of corrupt Washington elite to lead the fight to repeal Obamacare - VERSUS the old hag who has been noted for ethics violations every single time (dating back to the Watergate scandal investigation) every time she has been given a position of power - and every single time gets caught trying to cover it up. Especially with the Ben "What difference does it make?" Ghazi scandal. She was a failure of a Secretary of State - and held no leadership positions in the Senate. Put her and Ted Cruz in a debate 1 on 1 - and Ted Cruz will own her in a way that no person was ever owned before.

    Common sense is common sense. Even if the media tries to tell you otherwise.

    As for Paul Ryan, he voted to raise the debt ceiling in a plan he came up with along with Senator Patty Murray.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    But the conservatives/tea party needs to find one conservative candidate united in opposition to the establishment. They need one Governor.
    Then why are you pushing Senator Cruz when you want a conservative governor..
    As I said yesterday, I'm surprised you guys don't look at Gov. Pence, who held the #3 position iun the House before he ran for governor .
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    I'm sure you would've said the same thing in 2000 that George Bush was unelectable. Or even more-so in 1980 that Ronald Reagan was the most unelectable candidate against Jimmy Carter! OR, how John McCain was the most electable candidate against Obama in 2008. Or that Mitt Romney was the most electable against Obama
    Of those that ran McCain and Romney were the most electable against Obama. Any Republican would've lost in 2008 and there were slim pickings against Romney last year.
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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Over 30 governors are Republicans and you're complaining?!?!?!
    Yep. Of course I am. How many of those "Republicans" as you call them are opposing Obamacare? How many are truly leading the effort to really fight for what they believe in? To protect and defend freedom.

    That's the problem with this country. Too much emphasis on titles. Not enough on standing up for what we believe in.

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    Re: 2016 Republican Primary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Yep. Of course I am. How many of those "Republicans" as you call them are opposing Obamacare?
    At least 25 of those GOP govs have rejected Medicaid and the GOP's own idea, the state exchange..
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