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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    When you were on active duty, how would you have interpreted that? If you were ordered to protect an armoury with deadly force and had to kill fellow citizens, would you? Or are you talking about some interprtation of the constitution, for example, deploying active duty military at the borders and controlling civilian populations crossing that border?
    I'm talking scenarios such as an executive order to perform a nationwide gun confiscation. Illegal detentions of American citizens. Disobeying an executive order to arrest Congress, because the president dissolved the body, along with the Constitution. Property confisations. etc's like that.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We were trained if you were going to disobey an order because you thought it was unlawful, it better be a hill you were willing to die on, cause you probably would.
    Pretty much, yeah.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I've already explained to you that I don't care what their interpretation is, I care what mine is, so I have no idea why you're pushing this same strawman again.
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    Were it a straw man, you would be very right to protest. Sorrily, it is quite unimportant what one thinks, when the strong men have decided. If the checks on their power are not in place and enough robust to contain that force, resistance is too late and you end up in a dungeon down below andmerit an ode F. Zappa.
    And yes I realize we are talking theory. But no one should not base theory on wishful thought.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I never said I was going to. Run your mouth somewhere else little boy.

    I am neither still in the military nor in the US.


    I've already explained to you that I don't care what their interpretation is, I care what mine is, so I have no idea why you're pushing this same strawman again.



    And the biggest part of that oath is to support and defend the constitution. If those conflict the constitution takes priority. Or are you claiming soldiers should commit any atrocity they're ordered to?




    This 'little boy' was born in 1943 and will 'run his mouth' where and when he feels like it.




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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    There's two problems so many people have

    #1- They think their personal interpretation of the Constitution is objectively correct, and other interpretations are objectively wrong, and so they have some leeway to force their opinion on others under the banner of "protecting the Constitution".
    #2- They believe the Constitution to be some infallible document that couldn't just be flat out wrong, either through commission or omission. Any constitution anywhere is just a means to an end. It's the end itself.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but soldiers would be true to their oath if they refused to execute an operation that violated the people's constitutional rights.
    And further, to fight with whatever power they had at hand to oppose those who attempt to carry out such an operation.

    The oath is to uphold the constitution, and to defend it against all enemies, foreign or domestic. Any public servant, be it a soldier, a policeman, a judge, a legislator, or whatever; who violates the Constitution, is that enemy.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Do you think Obama has violated the Constitution?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And further, to fight with whatever power they had at hand to oppose those who attempt to carry out such an operation.

    The oath is to uphold the constitution, and to defend it against all enemies, foreign or domestic. Any public servant, be it a soldier, a policeman, a judge, a legislator, or whatever; who violates the Constitution, is that enemy.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Part of the oath is to follow the orders of those appointed over you.
    Only lawful orders.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you think Obama has violated the Constitution?
    Absolutely. Willfully and maliciously so.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    ...does that mean they would be legitimately justified in staging a coup and overthrowing the government?
    Military leaders are some real dumb asses. Not good for independent thought or analysis. There are few exceptions. Yessir. Nosir. How high Sir.

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