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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't recall ever saying I would trust colonels to determine that constitutionality. If I believed their actions support the constitution, I would follow them, if not I wouldn't. There are such things as unlawful orders.

    Soldiers are not mindless automotons that have to follow every order, nor did I swear an oath to some leader.
    Part of the oath is to follow the orders of those appointed over you.
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    ...does that mean they would be legitimately justified in staging a coup and overthrowing the government?
    Where in the US Constitution is the military directed to stage coups?
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't recall ever saying I would trust colonels to determine that constitutionality. If I believed their actions support the constitution, I would follow them, if not I wouldn't. There are such things as unlawful orders.

    Soldiers are not mindless automotons that have to follow every order, nor did I swear an oath to some leader.



    Try and overthrow the U.S. Government and see how far you get.

    Running your mouth about doing something is always a lot easier than actually doing it.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    ...does that mean they would be legitimately justified in staging a coup and overthrowing the government?
    If the Constitution were not being upheld that would mean their already was a coup and the military is justified in righting the ship of state !
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Try and overthrow the U.S. Government and see how far you get.

    Running your mouth about doing something is always a lot easier than actually doing it.
    I never said I was going to. Run your mouth somewhere else little boy.

    I am neither still in the military nor in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Sure. But would you really want to trust the Colonels' will interpret things the way you would? I have followed a large number of militaries take over to save the population from all sorts of things. True they were often helpful to our aims and desires and once in a while they actually helped their own populations, well most of it, but usually it was very unpleasant for most everyone, well almost everyone.

    But it a very important question for the world order and not only for the individual country. It is certainly a point we will have to address, if we want to restructure international security in a way to avoid major war in this century.
    I've already explained to you that I don't care what their interpretation is, I care what mine is, so I have no idea why you're pushing this same strawman again.

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Part of the oath is to follow the orders of those appointed over you.
    And the biggest part of that oath is to support and defend the constitution. If those conflict the constitution takes priority. Or are you claiming soldiers should commit any atrocity they're ordered to?
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Or are you claiming soldiers should commit any atrocity they're ordered to?
    That's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. A service member will be prosecuted for disobeying orders or following through with them. It's a matter of choice and of conscience what it chosen though.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    We were trained if you were going to disobey an order because you thought it was unlawful, it better be a hill you were willing to die on, cause you probably would.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    That's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. A service member will be prosecuted for disobeying orders or following through with them. It's a matter of choice and of conscience what it chosen though.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    ...does that mean they would be legitimately justified in staging a coup and overthrowing the government?
    No, but soldiers would be true to their oath if they refused to execute an operation that violated the people's constitutional rights.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We were trained if you were going to disobey an order because you thought it was unlawful, it better be a hill you were willing to die on, cause you probably would.
    You'll die on that hill...unless, everyone else who went along with an unlawful order was court martialed and sent to prison for 30 years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    When you were on active duty, how would you have interpreted that? If you were ordered to protect an armoury with deadly force and had to kill fellow citizens, would you? Or are you talking about some interprtation of the constitution, for example, deploying active duty military at the borders and controlling civilian populations crossing that border?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, but soldiers would be true to their oath if they refused to execute an operation that violated the people's constitutional rights.
    God Bless the Marine Corps.

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