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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Only the Supreme Court can decide to abolish a law for it's unconstitutionality.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Absolutely. Willfully and maliciously so
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I don't think the constitution grants the military the power to be the arbiter of constitutionality.
    If I had to guess, I'd say their was some sort of system set up for that exact purpose.



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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    The final arbitrator of what is constitutional is the Supreme Court. Ultimately though we have elected leaders, and the Supreme Court can either uphold or strike down the laws they make. As long as we have elected leaders it is the military's responsibility to follow them, because our Constitution guarantees elected government. You might not like the results of the election but in the end as long as the system is in place the military has no right to engage in a coup of any kind.

    Let's just say that in the future a president named President Bubba Goofus is elected. Let us say that Bubba Goofus is an outspoken fascist who favors putting laws in place that violate the Constitution and he manages to pass a few through Congress, for instance he outlaws free speech. Does the military have the right to stage a coup? No they do not, instead the Supreme Court has the responsibility to strike down such a law. Even if Bubba Goofus is reelected, all the unconstitutional laws he passes must be struck down and the military has no right to engage in any coup activity to defend the Constitution as long as the basic authority of the Supreme Court is upheld, no matter how much people dislike Bubba Goofus.

    But let us say that Bubba Goofus comes to power and then dissolves congress, imprisons the Supreme Court, and declares himself president for life. He begins passing laws violating the Bill of Rights by edict. In that case the military, as upholders of the constitution have a legal obligation based on their oath to stop Bubba Goofus. However even then they do not have the right to overthrow him, only to strip him of his powers. Technically if they set up another president in his place they would be violating their oath. The legal process they would have to go through would be to reinstate the supreme court which would immediately strike down all laws passed by Bubba Goofus edict, and then reinstate the congress which would impeach Bubba Goofus and later try him for his crimes. But until that point he would remain legally in office, even if all his power was taken away.

    The only situation where it would be legal based on their oath to remove one leader from office and put another in, is if Bubba Goofus was never elected, but instead deposed the elected leader, Joe Blow, by force. In that case they would have a duty to overthrow Bubba Goofus and reinstate Joe Blow as the leader. If Joe Blow or any others died in the original coup, it would be whoever was next in line for the presidency legally before Bubba Goofus broke the law.

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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Absolutely. Willfully and maliciously so.



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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you can't see a scenario where that would be necessary?

    If, for instance, a president decides to stay in power after his term and use the military against the populace to protect him, you think all of the soldiers should just kill their own citizens and follow orders? This scenario has happened in a countless number of countries. For some reason you think soldiers should be mindless automotons who obey orders over the constitution.
    You just condoned treason. The Constitution is very clear as to what may legally happen to treasonists.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You just condoned treason. The Constitution is very clear as to what may legally happen to treasonists.
    LOL. Those who fight traitors are traitors. What a cute little logical loop you made there. Upholding the constitution can not be treason.

    So in your world the government should have no limits and no opposition, no matter what it does?
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Any soldier who would even consider doing such a thing deserves to be immediately court-marshaled and dishonorably discharged.
    So you want a soldier to be prosecuted for his thoughts, even in the absence of speech or actions?
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You just condoned treason. The Constitution is very clear as to what may legally happen to treasonists.
    The Constitution also contains a very clear description of what constitutes treason. The word does not mean what you think it means.
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    Re: If the military swears an oath to uphold the Constitution...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    LOL. Those who fight traitors are traitors. What a cute little logical loop you made there. Upholding the constitution can not be treason.

    So in your world the government should have no limits and no opposition, no matter what it does?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So you want a soldier to be prosecuted for his thoughts, even in the absence of speech or actions?
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    The Constitution also contains a very clear description of what constitutes treason. The word does not mean what you think it means.
    I will not entertain these lies. Anyone who attempts to overthrow our government by force in the name of freedom has become the very thing he swore against, and deserves to be hanged.

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