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    National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    National Cemetery's are federal property. Most National Cemetery's have numerous headstones with crosses or Stars of David on them. Simple question. Seeing as how the National Cemetery's are federal property, should all headstones bearing any sort of religious symbols be removed citing the 1st Amendment?
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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    National Cemetery's are federal property. Most National Cemetery's have numerous headstones with crosses or Stars of David on them. Simple question. Seeing as how the National Cemetery's are federal property, should all headstones bearing any sort of religious symbols be removed citing the 1st Amendment?
    Why open a can of worms that hasn't been opened yet? I voted no but I do understand either side of the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Why open a can of worms that hasn't been opened yet?
    For that exact reason.
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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    National Cemetery's are federal property. Most National Cemetery's have numerous headstones with crosses or Stars of David on them. Simple question. Seeing as how the National Cemetery's are federal property, should all headstones bearing any sort of religious symbols be removed citing the 1st Amendment?
    No, because it is not the government who is professing their religious opinion in that case. It is the deceased, and/or their family, and it falls under their first amendment rights. Military members in general are also free to express their religious beliefs while alive, so there's no reason they shouldn't be when they die.

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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    As S&M said. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a douche.
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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    No, because it is not the government who is professing their religious opinion in that case. It is the deceased, and/or their family, and it falls under their first amendment rights. Military members in general are also free to express their religious beliefs while alive, so there's no reason they shouldn't be when they die.
    But it's on gov't property and the military member is no longer alive to express their feelings. This is a landmark or symbol that is being posted on gov't property with no living military member actively engaging in the practice of his/her religion.
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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    But it's on gov't property and the military member is no longer alive to express their feelings. This is a landmark or symbol that is being posted on gov't property with no living military member actively engaging in the practice of his/her religion.
    Let it go.

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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    But it's on gov't property and the military member is no longer alive to express their feelings. This is a landmark or symbol that is being posted on gov't property with no living military member actively engaging in the practice of his/her religion.
    It doesn't matter. It isn't a statement being made by the government, nor is a cemetery or a grave stone subject to most of the placement regulations that apply to, say, a government building. Living family is the one making that expression. I am not aware of any clause stating that any remaining physical symbolism of one's religious beliefs must be destroyed upon death, regardless of where they wind up.

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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Let it go.
    In Jacksonville, North Carolina there is a National Cemetery. The front part of the cemetary is not service members. It is for the displaced graves of people who had a final resting place on the property that is currently Camp Lejeune. Some of those graves were of Confederate Soldiers and bear the flag of rebellion. These Confederate flags will probably be removed long before they ever start discussing removing crosses and the star of David. I don't see either of them ever being removed.

    This is an interesting argument but I think as a nation we still have a tradition of showing respect for the dead and not making it out into a political spectacle. Maybe in a few generations this could change and the crosses can be removed. I just don't think this subject is ripe for debate.

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    Re: National Cemetery's and the 1st Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    National Cemetery's are federal property. Most National Cemetery's have numerous headstones with crosses or Stars of David on them. Simple question. Seeing as how the National Cemetery's are federal property, should all headstones bearing any sort of religious symbols be removed citing the 1st Amendment?
    True. What do you propose? You want to take the Star of David away from the Jewish boys that are buried in the World War II cemeteries? You could allow everyone to put up whatever they wanted for their beloved. It would look less impressive probably. It also would not totally solve the problem.

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