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    Edward Snowden... today.

    Edward Snowden... today. (15 December 2013)

    Now that some time has passed, and we have had a chance to view some of the ramifications of his actions, and how the government has reacted, how do you view Edward Snowden today?

    Hero? Traitor? Somewhere in between?

    Does your view of him today vary from your initial view after he first released documents?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    By exposing what he knew he betrayed his government but maybe not the people of the US an the world. So on the one hand he is a traitor for making secrets public and on the other hand he has made public some things the public should have been told ages ago and that makes him kind of a hero too.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Very simply, and truly the only accurate term for him is whistle-blower. Then the question is, imo, whether he did it for glory or for the good of the country. Since he could've just as easily sold any/all of his information to other countries or whatever, and instead he chose to have it published fully under the guide of two responsible papers, I'd say he did it for the latter not the former. Additionally he is paying heavily for it, even if he is never arrested or returned to the US. So I'd say he acted heroically. Whether he is a hero or not is like beauty and in the eye of the beholder.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    By exposing what he knew he betrayed his government but maybe not the people of the US an the world. So on the one hand he is a traitor for making secrets public and on the other hand he has made public some things the public should have been told ages ago and that makes him kind of a hero too.
    This is a fair statement.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    At one point in time, he took an oath.

    His oath went a little something like this:

    I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

    He upheld that oath. For that, he's a hero (and he has more testicular fortitude than most). He has no allegiance to the government, just the American people and the constitution. "We the people".

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Edward Snowden... today. (15 December 2013)

    Now that some time has passed, and we have had a chance to view some of the ramifications of his actions, and how the government has reacted, how do you view Edward Snowden today?

    Hero? Traitor? Somewhere in between?

    Does your view of him today vary from your initial view after he first released documents?
    My view hasn't changed since it happened, I've just gotten more and more respect for him as time went along. He's a hero and deserves a medal and our undying admiration. Our government needs to be kept on a tight leash. They think that they can do whatever the hell they want and violate our constitution, and he brought those instances to light.

    Defending the constitution and the American people at the peril of tyrannical leaders can never be treason.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    At one point in time, he took an oath.

    His oath went a little something like this:

    I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

    He upheld that oath. For that, he's a hero (and he has more testicular fortitude than most). He has no allegiance to the government, just the American people and the constitution. "We the people".
    Those duties include protecting the details of classified data/methods. It is not necessary to release classified details of data collected or the specific methods used to get that data. For example one can assert that the US is paying assassins to take out US citzens suspected of criminal/terrorist activities without releasing the names of those doing the paying, those receiving payment or those targetted for elimmination. One can also, as Snowden appears to have done, keep a cache of backup details to be released to cleared members of the executive, lefislative and judicial authorities to prove the veracity of his accusations. Release of classified details to the press directly was not necessary to blow the whistle on the nature of this alleged extra constituional activity.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    My view hasn't changed since it happened, I've just gotten more and more respect for him as time went along. He's a hero and deserves a medal and our undying admiration. Our government needs to be kept on a tight leash. They think that they can do whatever the hell they want and violate our constitution, and he brought those instances to light.

    Defending the constitution and the American people at the peril of tyrannical leaders can never be treason.
    Pretty much my opinion as well. The government's actions and reactions since then, if anything, have only served to reinforce my conclusions.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Those duties include protecting the details of classified data/methods. It is not necessary to release classified details of data collected or the specific methods used to get that data. For example one can assert that the US is paying assassins to take out US citzens suspected of criminal/terrorist activities without releasing the names of those doing the paying, those receiving payment or those targetted for elimmination. One can also, as Snowden appears to have done, keep a cache of backup details to be released to cleared members of the executive, lefislative and judicial authorities to prove the veracity of his accusations. Release of classified details to the press directly was not necessary to blow the whistle on the nature of this alleged extra constituional activity.
    And if said "cleared members of the executive, lefislative and judicial authorities" were/are complicit in these illegal activities?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And if said "cleared members of the executive, lefislative and judicial authorities" were/are complicit in these illegal activities?
    All of them? That is extremely unlikely, but in that event, a small portion (redacted as necessary) of his proof could be released to the press. It has been reported that he has indeed kept a backup cache of even more sensiitive classified data as "insurance".

    Edward Snowden could have
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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