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Edward Snowden... today.

Edward Snowden... today.

  • Hero

    Votes: 36 45.6%
  • Traitor

    Votes: 21 26.6%
  • Somewhere in-between (please elaborate)

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .
OK, the word is out, the wake up call was issued - what has changed?

A lot more congressional oversight for one. And I don't believe the full ramifications of Snowden's actions are yet to be realized.
 
A lot more congressional oversight for one. And I don't believe the full ramifications of Snowden's actions are yet to be realized.

In other words, congress critters are babbling about it (as they did for Solyndra, the IRS, fast & fuzzy and Benghazi) but you hope for change. ;)
 
Incorrect. Most Americans expected the government was collecting meta data, but nobody knew the scope.

False. We knew the NSA was collecting meta data from all over the country and involving numbers in other countries. Maybe you were not so informed and up to date on this at the time, and so you have been fooled into getting in line to praise Snowden. I can see you're a Snowden fanboy, so I wouldn't be surprised if you were ignorant of what I've just noted or simply forgot about it so that you could swoon over your hero.
 
OK, the word is out, the wake up call was issued - what has changed?

The word was already out. The only wake up call is for fans of Snowden, and it's servicing morning glory. Nothing has changed, because (as everyone already knew) collecting meta data is constitutional.

Sure, we can get all riled up for our boy Snowden. We can service him to our hearts content. OR we can be real and stop with the teenager-like worship of the adult's version of Twilight.
 
A lot more congressional oversight for one. And I don't believe the full ramifications of Snowden's actions are yet to be realized.

In other words, you got nothing. Why? Because only suckers give a crap about Snowden the traitor.

You know what? As soon as this goes away, like Wikileaks and Manning, some other attention whore is gonna bust chain of command to tell you something that you already know. Will you be a cheerleader once again? I bet so. That'll be funny. I wonder how many times you'll be suckered into that.
 
The word was already out. The only wake up call is for fans of Snowden, and it's servicing morning glory. Nothing has changed, because (as everyone already knew) collecting meta data is constitutional.

Sure, we can get all riled up for our boy Snowden. We can service him to our hearts content. OR we can be real and stop with the teenager-like worship of the adult's version of Twilight.

So is the entire federal department of education but that is accepted as well.
 
So is the entire federal department of education but that is accepted as well.

People gotta have their poster boy for "stick it to the government". It doesn't matter that we already knew everything he released. It doesn't matter that he broke chain of command. All that matters to some people is that they have a new poster boy that they can drool over and tell everyone he's their boyfriend. As soon as this one is gone, a distant memory, there will be another scumbag trying to be their poster boy. They will accept him and praise him.
 
Ya know what I'm looking forward to? The Russian poster boy. When Putin executes him in the street, we'll see what the fanboies think about Putin's support of "whistleblowers".
 
Ya know what I'm looking forward to? The Russian poster boy. When Putin executes him in the street, we'll see what the fanboies think about Putin's support of "whistleblowers".

Wait--you don't have faith in the new-and-improved Putin? ;)
 
We should not talk about the Snowden, but We should talk about the NSA. This organization turns into a giant monster like KGB. Zero transparency, zero accountability to Congress and completely incomprehensible problem which the organization must carry out. I have serious concerns that the NSA has transformed into a secret political police.
 
In other words, you got nothing. Why? Because only suckers give a crap about Snowden the traitor.

You know what? As soon as this goes away, like Wikileaks and Manning, some other attention whore is gonna bust chain of command to tell you something that you already know. Will you be a cheerleader once again? I bet so. That'll be funny. I wonder how many times you'll be suckered into that.

While it may of been known to people like me and you, it wasn't known to the masses. Most people just didn't know, or care to even know. Now that it's talked about, our society are having to deal with a lot of these questions. And for a democracy, that is what is suppose to happened. And oh yeah, being banished from his home country, stuck for two weeks in a Moscow airport while his fate was decided... really he must of wanted all that.
 
We should not talk about the Snowden, but We should talk about the NSA. This organization turns into a giant monster like KGB. Zero transparency, zero accountability to Congress and completely incomprehensible problem which the organization must carry out. I have serious concerns that the NSA has transformed into a secret political police.

It surely has the potential, and we should be talking about this.

But I disagree with you about Snowden, and so does this poll thread. Some regard him as a hero while others regard this quisling as a traitor.
 
Argumentum ad ignorancum?

One could say. Although I think also the NSA thing came at a time of a perfect storm as well. We were dealing with the IRS thing with tea party groups, you had them pulling phone records for media groups. I think what Snowden did more than anything was wake us up to what the government as a whole has become. I mean, before Snowden, the white house photographer story wouldn't even be mentioned. But now, it fits with the narrative.
 
Argumentum ad ignorancum?

The argument is that the overly broad search warrants are a violation of our rights, and a Federal judge has just acknowledged that. Warrant are for specific instances of privacy, not a blanket grab of 6 months data connections from AT & T or Verizon, or etc. Power grab and illegal. US Intelligence Agencies have become ubiquitous in this Nation. Fire them all, and start over.
 
My view hasn't changed since it happened, I've just gotten more and more respect for him as time went along. He's a hero and deserves a medal and our undying admiration. Our government needs to be kept on a tight leash. They think that they can do whatever the hell they want and violate our constitution, and he brought those instances to light.

Defending the constitution and the American people at the peril of tyrannical leaders can never be treason.

Nope, he ran off to Russia and took the secret info with him. He's threatening to release more that would damage US national interests. He probably entered an agreement with the Russians to share at least part of the info out of what he had.

None of that was necessary to the purpose of informing the American people and trashing the US government. He's not a hero.
 
We should not talk about the Snowden, but We should talk about the NSA. This organization turns into a giant monster like KGB. Zero transparency, zero accountability to Congress and completely incomprehensible problem which the organization must carry out. I have serious concerns that the NSA has transformed into a secret political police.

This whole thing is beginning to have the odor of a Church Committee hearing. Are we going to go too far toward hamstringing our intelligence capabilities again?
 
The argument is that the overly broad search warrants are a violation of our rights, and a Federal judge has just acknowledged that.

I could find a Federal Judge that thinks child rape is a minor offense. So what? Do you always agree with random people that support BS?
 
One could say.

Could say? I do say. A bunch of ignorant fanboies think Snowden is a big deal, but anyone who knows anything realizes that he's just a scumbag poster boy for anti-government hysterics.
 
It would of never gotten the publicity if he would of gone through normal channel. For people to want to change anything, you have to really shock them into waking up. What Snowden did was the splash of cold water that Americans needed to wake up.

Absolutely - Snowden should have been Time's Man of the Year, but then the Pope is pushing Time's and the left's agenda so it's not surprising.
 
I have serious concerns that the NSA has transformed into a secret political police.

You have no evidence. Stop pretending this is the USSR.

This organization turns into a giant monster like KGB. Zero transparency, zero accountability to Congress

Ignorant hysterics.
 
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What is it they say about fools and their money?
 
Nope, he ran off to Russia and took the secret info with him. He's threatening to release more that would damage US national interests. He probably entered an agreement with the Russians to share at least part of the info out of what he had.

None of that was necessary to the purpose of informing the American people and trashing the US government. He's not a hero.

He had all of his data on the cloud. It's assumed by many that the laptops he had with him didn't actually have any secret data on it. To be honest, he'd be rather foolish if he did travel with the data. Why would he? Keeping it in the cloud is safer and easier.

And you have zero proof whatsoever that he gave anything to Russia, so you're just speculating. I think Russia would grant him asylum just to troll us.

Have you become a big government statist since the last chance we talked? Are you not glad to know the extent that our government has been overreaching their bounds and spying on you and your fellow citizens?
 
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