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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, traitor. He had other avenues to do what he did. He chose to betray his job and nation. Shoot on sight.
    He betrayed a government which betrayed the People. Upholding one's commitment to the People and Republic at large is well better than serving despotic organizations.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Yes. But that's because Jesus told us to. It's accepting the body of Christ.

    People need to accept the body of Christ. Not the body of satan.
    I drink goat milk and eat goat cheese. Sometimes I eat goat meat. I am a Satanist?

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, traitor. He had other avenues to do what he did. He chose to betray his job and nation. Shoot on sight.
    So when the government is violating the rights of people the best course of action is to go to the government to report it. Is that about right?

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bull****. He didn't say crap about tyranny other than to throw around self-aggrandizing accusations, and he hasn't substantiated or even maintained a single charge of corruption (which is the turning of political power to personal or party benefit). He's a self-interested little narcissist with a grandiose self-image. There are plenty of people who oppose the level of collection that the current IC engages in and aren't getting labled crazy or bad -BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALSO DISCLOSE A METRIC CRAP TON OF HIGHLY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION ON ONGOING COLLECTION THAT IN NO WAY IMPINGES ON AMERICAN CITIZENS, which is what Snowden did.

    As OneWorldOrder points out - only by ignoring what Snowden has actually done can you maintain some kind of "hero" facade. Heroes sacrifice themselves for the good of others. Cowards sell out others in attempts to keep safe themselves. The fact that Snowden took four laptops full of secret information to the Chinese and Russians instead of staying in CONUS and facing trial over the issue says everything we need to know about which side of that line he falls on.




    Well, quite possibly it makes them "people who are aware of the actual workings of the program" (which, it seems, Snowden had only a loose outline awareness of), but at the very least it makes them "people who value the ability to get on the front page of the news less than forestalling attacks against American citizens".
    LOL, if he didn't stay and get locked in a box without trial for years like Manning, he's a coward. That's the lamest bull**** I've ever heard. You're just mad because you don't get to see him suffer. You're a war hawk that values security over liberty every day of the week; it's a coward's position.

    He's been extremely discriminatory about releasing documents. If he really wanted to hurt America, he would've done a mass release of the documents and not releasing carefully filtered selections like he has been now. You also have zero proof whatsoever that he's handed anything to the Chinese or Russians.

    Snowden sacrificed his privileged life to inform us about the overreaches of our government. By even your own definition, that's a hero. Apparently to you, however, a hero is only a hero if he gets burned at the stake afterwards.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If he really wanted to hurt America, he would've done a mass release of the documents and not releasing carefully filtered selections
    He cannot hurt America. Everyone already knew that the NSA collected meta-data. The NSA made this clear before Snowden. All he did was break rank to provide evidence of what was already established. Why? Not to hurt America. I'll tell you why: So that suckers all over the world would give this piece of garbage his 15 minutes. That's right, dumbasses the world over line up to suck his cock. THAT's why he did it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is in line.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Edward Snowden... today. (15 December 2013)

    Now that some time has passed, and we have had a chance to view some of the ramifications of his actions, and how the government has reacted, how do you view Edward Snowden today?

    Hero? Traitor?
    Somewhere in between?

    Does your view of him today vary from your initial view after he first released documents?



    I don't see Snowden as a hero or a traitor.

    If he's smart he'll stay out of the USA.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He cannot hurt America. Everyone already knew that the NSA collected meta-data. The NSA made this clear before Snowden. All he did was break rank to provide evidence of what was already established. Why? Not to hurt America. I'll tell you why: So that suckers all over the world would give this piece of garbage his 15 minutes. That's right, dumbasses the world over line up to suck his cock. THAT's why he did it, and anyone who thinks otherwise is in line.
    Incorrect. Most Americans expected the government was collecting meta data, but nobody knew the scope. That's also not the only thing he's revealed.

    NSA surveillance row: US phone-tapping revealed by Edward Snowden 'likely unconstitutional', says judge - Americas - World - The Independent
    Snowden document reveals key role of companies in NSA data collection | World news | theguardian.com

    Are you really claiming that if he did a mass release of all his documents it wouldn't hurt America at all?

    Our government has been doing a LOT more than collecting meta-data. Before Snowden nobody had the balls to even talk about it or to discuss what limits our government should have. Now we're having a national discussion about it. That's a big win for democracy and transparency.

    The "he did it only for fame" claim doesn't make any sense at all.
    Last edited by RabidAlpaca; 12-19-13 at 06:10 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Incorrect. Most Americans expected the government was collecting meta data, but nobody knew the scope. That's also not the only thing he's revealed.

    NSA surveillance row: US phone-tapping revealed by Edward Snowden 'likely unconstitutional', says judge - Americas - World - The Independent
    Snowden document reveals key role of companies in NSA data collection | World news | theguardian.com

    Are you really claiming that if he did a mass release of all his documents it wouldn't hurt America at all?

    Our government has been doing a LOT more than collecting meta-data. Before Snowden nobody had the balls to even talk about it or to discuss what limits our government should have. Now we're having a national discussion about it. That's a big win for democracy and transparency.

    The "he did it only for fame" claim doesn't make any sense at all.
    Couldn't of said it better myself.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Those duties include protecting the details of classified data/methods. It is not necessary to release classified details of data collected or the specific methods used to get that data. For example one can assert that the US is paying assassins to take out US citzens suspected of criminal/terrorist activities without releasing the names of those doing the paying, those receiving payment or those targetted for elimmination. One can also, as Snowden appears to have done, keep a cache of backup details to be released to cleared members of the executive, lefislative and judicial authorities to prove the veracity of his accusations. Release of classified details to the press directly was not necessary to blow the whistle on the nature of this alleged extra constituional activity.
    It would of never gotten the publicity if he would of gone through normal channel. For people to want to change anything, you have to really shock them into waking up. What Snowden did was the splash of cold water that Americans needed to wake up.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It would of never gotten the publicity if he would of gone through normal channel. For people to want to change anything, you have to really shock them into waking up. What Snowden did was the splash of cold water that Americans needed to wake up.
    OK, the word is out, the wake up call was issued - what has changed?
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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