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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's certainly possible, but it's also possible that Snowden hasn't yet released access to this digital information - something possibly to be gained and nothing really to be lost by the gesture.
    It's certainly possible,, but I would find it incredibly surprising if Russia didn't all but force him to give up the goods going through customs. There's a lot that people can do forensically on days storage devices, especially when they know that they should be looking for something. China could've done it too, but they didn't have as much time or warning for him (assuming he's telling the truth about just wanting to be a whistleblower, of course, which is something I highly doubt anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's certainly possible,, but I would find it incredibly surprising if Russia didn't all but force him to give up the goods going through customs. There's a lot that people can do forensically on days storage devices, especially when they know that they should be looking for something. China could've done it too, but they didn't have as much time or warning for him (assuming he's telling the truth about just wanting to be a whistleblower, of course, which is something I highly doubt anyway).
    I think it's likely that Glenn Greenwald is the only one with electronic access, perhaps along with Wikileaks in some form, and Snowden is in charge of release timing/authorization similar to Greenwald's relationship with Julian Assange. I don't believe at all that Snowden had the information with him when he went to Hong Kong and then Russia - it was likely up somewhere in the "cloud", fully secured, and the Russians may be bargaining for it but can't be seen to be torturing him to get it. If they had access to it, it wouldn't still be filtering out from Greenwald.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's certainly possible, but it's also possible that Snowden hasn't yet released access to this digital information - something possibly to be gained and nothing really to be lost by the gesture.
    .... do you really think that Snowden is still in control of that data?

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... do you really think that Snowden is still in control of that data?
    Through surrogates, yes.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Through surrogates, yes.
    Dude, Snowden is in Putins' Russia, and he spent time in China. He doesn't have the ability to call back the data anymore; it's gone, man. Surrogates? His 'surrogates' are going to be provided by the Russian state. Who do you think they work for?

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    . Who do you think they work for?
    Me, obviously.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Dude, Snowden is in Putins' Russia, and he spent time in China. He doesn't have the ability to call back the data anymore; it's gone, man. Surrogates? His 'surrogates' are going to be provided by the Russian state. Who do you think they work for?
    I think Greenwald and Wikileaks are surrogates for Snowden. I don't think for a minute that Snowden waltzed into Russia with electronic storage devices filled with what he culled from the NSA. That stuff was in safe hands long before Snowden left Hong Kong.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think Greenwald and Wikileaks are surrogates for Snowden. I don't think for a minute that Snowden waltzed into Russia with electronic storage devices filled with what he culled from the NSA. That stuff was in safe hands long before Snowden left Hong Kong.
    4 Laptops, to be specific. And "that stuff" was in the hands of the Chinese before it got to the Russians. Would Snowden release more stuff to Greenwald or Wikileaks? It depends on how free his decision-making is at this point; I would bet the answer to that is "not very".

    Snowden is an fool if he thought he would be allowed to be a free actor while holding materials that could do real geopolitical damage to the US in Putins' Russia. That's like saying you're going to walk into a criminal gang's hangout with hundreds of thousands in small bills on your person and plan on keeping it by appealing to their better natures.

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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    4 Laptops, to be specific. And "that stuff" was in the hands of the Chinese before it got to the Russians. Would Snowden release more stuff to Greenwald or Wikileaks? It depends on how free his decision-making is at this point; I would bet the answer to that is "not very".

    Snowden is an fool if he thought he would be allowed to be a free actor while holding materials that could do real geopolitical damage to the US in Putins' Russia. That's like saying you're going to walk into a criminal gang's hangout with hundreds of thousands in small bills on your person and plan on keeping it by appealing to their better natures.
    I don't disagree with that - I never claimed Snowden was the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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    Re: Edward Snowden... today.

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    Traitor, straight up no argument about it.
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