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    Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    You are now the Supreme Dictator of USofA.

    You have all-ending power to do what you wish.

    Would you make a decree that any and all shootings committed by teenagers, no matter how small or large, no matter the death toll, become banished from all media outside of the immediate area it happens and completely banished from all media 24 hours after incident?

    If part of the reason some kids might be going to such extreme measures is the fact that they might become "famous" is true, why not put an end to the "route to fame"?

    Do you think the media hype over these events plays an important role in setting up the next tragedy?

    If so - would you do something to change it if you could?

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You are now the Supreme Dictator of USofA.

    You have all-ending power to do what you wish.

    Would you make a decree that any and all shootings committed by teenagers, no matter how small or large, no matter the death toll, become banished from all media outside of the immediate area it happens and completely banished from all media 24 hours after incident?

    If part of the reason some kids might be going to such extreme measures is the fact that they might become "famous" is true, why not put an end to the "route to fame"?

    Do you think the media hype over these events plays an important role in setting up the next tragedy?

    If so - would you do something to change it if you could?
    I think the media does play a part.Any time some pathetic loser shoots up a place the media is more than happy to make that piece of **** a instant celebrity. They air his photo,tell you his name,and if possible what he does in his spare time, where he got his guns and ammo, how much ammo he has and they either read or give you the gist of what his suicide note says.Other pathetic losers see this instant celebrity and glorification of that piece of **** from the media and they want their turn, they want to be famous too.So instead of just offing themselves quietly they try to go out with bang by taking as many people as possible with them. But if someone uses a gun to prevent or stop a criminal then its cricket sounds from the media or if we are lucky there is token mention of it.


    I would simply make a law that if they want to report these shootings then they have to report each every single story of someone using a firearm to deter or stop a crime and that they must give the same type of attention to those stories that they would with these mass shootings. Meaning if the media gives a soap box to someone advocating for more gun control then in the positive gun stories they must give a soap box to someone advocating for less gun control. If the media tell you where the mass shooter got his firearms then they must do the positive gun stories. If they tell you the mass shooter's name, show his photo, tell you what his hobbies are and other **** then they must do the same thing for the hero in the positive gun stories. If they tell you how many guns,magazine capacity, and amount of ammo the mass shooter had then they must do the same thing with the hero in the positive gun story. If they want to air the mass shooting stories for weeks at a time then they must do the same thing with the positive gun stories. After all if any one deserves to be a instant celeb and glorified it should be the guy or gal who used their firearm to deter and or stop a criminal not some piece of **** who decided to murder a bunch of people.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    I do agree that the way the media handles these things now-a-day has some impact on the next incident.

    It's instant celebrity for the shooter. History book status.

    I wonder if on some level there's also a thought to "how can I do it bigger than the others"?

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I do agree that the way the media handles these things now-a-day has some impact on the next incident.

    It's instant celebrity for the shooter. History book status.

    I wonder if on some level there's also a thought to "how can I do it bigger than the others"?
    I somewhat agree, but because of the way that they are reported. When some thug shoots a couple of thugs, or even innocent bystanders, it is not national news. The school shooter, or mass shooter, not the shooting itself, makes it into national news. In the sick minds of the media, it is important to examine every minute detail of these "special" shooters and essentially eulogize them; what they did for fun, what their friends thought of them, what kind of video games they liked, what kind of gun(s) they liked and every other nit picking factoid that they can find out about them. Unless, of course, they had far left political views and are described as Socialist, then the public must be spared that part of the "motive".
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the media does play a part.Any time some pathetic loser shoots up a place the media is more than happy to make that piece of **** a instant celebrity. They air his photo,tell you his name,and if possible what he does in his spare time, where he got his guns and ammo, how much ammo he has and they either read or give you the gist of what his suicide note says.Other pathetic losers see this instant celebrity and glorification of that piece of **** from the media and they want their turn, they want to be famous too.So instead of just offing themselves quietly they try to go out with bang by taking as many people as possible with them. But if someone uses a gun to prevent or stop a criminal then its cricket sounds from the media or if we are lucky there is token mention of it.
    Well I don't know about others, but I would like to know what goes on in this world, and for someone to say that they would like to see the First Amendment walked over because they actually believe if atrocious crimes aren't reported, than the crimes would automatically stop, is not only absurd, but unfounded.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would simply make a law that if they want to report these shootings then they have to report each every single story of someone using a firearm to deter or stop a crime and that they must give the same type of attention to those stories that they would with these mass shootings. Meaning if the media gives a soap box to someone advocating for more gun control then in the positive gun stories they must give a soap box to someone advocating for less gun control. If the media tell you where the mass shooter got his firearms then they must do the positive gun stories. If they tell you the mass shooter's name, show his photo, tell you what his hobbies are and other **** then they must do the same thing for the hero in the positive gun stories. If they tell you how many guns,magazine capacity, and amount of ammo the mass shooter had then they must do the same thing with the hero in the positive gun story. If they want to air the mass shooting stories for weeks at a time then they must do the same thing with the positive gun stories. After all if any one deserves to be a instant celeb and glorified it should be the guy or gal who used their firearm to deter and or stop a criminal not some piece of **** who decided to murder a bunch of people.
    Want to know why there are not enough stories that depicts people preventing crimes with guns? Because there is not enough of them to sing about, James, that's why. In this report by the Violence Policy Center using analysis from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and National Crime Victimization Survey Data, there is most likely a chance of a person's gun being stolen than it being used to prevent a crime.

    Here is an excerpt of the introduction to that report:

    Guns are rarely used to kill criminals or stop crimes.
    In 2010, across the nation there were only 230 justifiable homicides
    1
    involving a private citizen using a firearm reported to the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Progr
    am as detailed in its Supplementary Homicide Report (SHR).
    2
    That
    same year, there were 8,275 criminal gun homicides tallied in the SHR.
    In 2010, for every justifiable homicide in the United States
    involving a gun, guns were used in 36 criminal homicides.
    3
    And this ratio, of course, does not take into account the thousands of lives
    ended in gun suicides (19,392) or unintentional shootings (60
    6) that year.
    4
    This report analyzes, on both the national and state levels, the us
    e of firearms in justifiable homicides. It also details, us
    ing the best
    data available on the national level, the
    total
    number of times guns are used for self-defense by the victims of both attempted and
    completed violent crimes and property crimes—whether or not the use of the gun by the victim resulted in a fatality.
    Key findings of this report, as detailed in its accompanying tables, include the following.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I somewhat agree, but because of the way that they are reported. When some thug shoots a couple of thugs, or even innocent bystanders, it is not national news. The school shooter, or mass shooter, not the shooting itself, makes it into national news. In the sick minds of the media, it is important to examine every minute detail of these "special" shooters and essentially eulogize them; what they did for fun, what their friends thought of them, what kind of video games they liked, what kind of gun(s) they liked and every other nit picking factoid that they can find out about them. Unless, of course, they had far left political views and are described as Socialist, then the public must be spared that part of the "motive".
    You think that attention is made out of these kids because the media is "sick"?

    They get attention because, many times, the body counts are high. And unfortunately, "the media" caters to its market. If people didn't want to know every detail about every mass shooting, the 24/7 hype would go away.

    An incident where 1 or 2 people are shot, even in a school, goes away quickly. The only reason we're still yammering about it here is because you guys are convinced there's some nefarious plot to cover up the fact that he's got Obama on speed dial or whatever nonsense you're cranking out lately.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would simply make a law that if they want to report these shootings then they have to report each every single story of someone using a firearm to deter or stop a crime and that they must give the same type of attention to those stories that they would with these mass shootings. Meaning if the media gives a soap box to someone advocating for more gun control then in the positive gun stories they must give a soap box to someone advocating for less gun control. If the media tell you where the mass shooter got his firearms then they must do the positive gun stories. If they tell you the mass shooter's name, show his photo, tell you what his hobbies are and other **** then they must do the same thing for the hero in the positive gun stories. If they tell you how many guns,magazine capacity, and amount of ammo the mass shooter had then they must do the same thing with the hero in the positive gun story. If they want to air the mass shooting stories for weeks at a time then they must do the same thing with the positive gun stories. After all if any one deserves to be a instant celeb and glorified it should be the guy or gal who used their firearm to deter and or stop a criminal not some piece of **** who decided to murder a bunch of people.
    In other words, you don't believe in Freedom of the Press, and you would like the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. You want the government to tell the press how to do their jobs.

    Mighty "conservative" of you.

    In what way are mass shooters "glorified"? Do you think the mass media portrays spree shooters in a positive light?
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You think that attention is made out of these kids because the media is "sick"?

    They get attention because, many times, the body counts are high. And unfortunately, "the media" caters to its market. If people didn't want to know every detail about every mass shooting, the 24/7 hype would go away.

    An incident where 1 or 2 people are shot, even in a school, goes away quickly. The only reason we're still yammering about it here is because you guys are convinced there's some nefarious plot to cover up the fact that he's got Obama on speed dial or whatever nonsense you're cranking out lately.
    Amen! Sir! The media is the media. They didn't pull the triggers on those guns in those crimes.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Amen! Sir! The media is the media. They didn't pull the triggers on those guns in those crimes.
    The conservative mantra (and, often, the liberal one) is when you don't like the facts that are being reported, blame the media. It's a tale as old as time.

    FUN FACT: The "media" was several times accused of UNDER-REPORTING Columbine. People wanted to know every lurid detail, and finally less scrupulous outlets caved in. That's how Marilyn Manson got dragged into it.

    The media gives the American people what they demand. And the vast majority of them want sensationalism. Much like government, the people get the media they deserve.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The conservative mantra (and, often, the liberal one) is when you don't like the facts that are being reported, blame the media. It's a tale as old as time.
    Yes. I agree.
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