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Thread: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Do you think news is actually reported in this world????

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Do you think news is actually reported in this world????
    Of course it is. It's always through SOME kind of filter, but the facts are nearly always there.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Of course it is. It's always through SOME kind of filter, but the facts are nearly always there.
    No degree of sensationalism?

    There's no outward interest in selling the news with sensationalism?

    The "news" isn't marketed these days?

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    No degree of sensationalism?

    There's no outward interest in selling the news with sensationalism?

    The "news" isn't marketed these days?
    Of COURSE it is. Doesn't mean it's not reported.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You think that attention is made out of these kids because the media is "sick"?

    They get attention because, many times, the body counts are high. And unfortunately, "the media" caters to its market. If people didn't want to know every detail about every mass shooting, the 24/7 hype would go away.

    An incident where 1 or 2 people are shot, even in a school, goes away quickly. The only reason we're still yammering about it here is because you guys are convinced there's some nefarious plot to cover up the fact that he's got Obama on speed dial or whatever nonsense you're cranking out lately.
    Care to do a quick search and note how many national news outlets jumped on this Arapahoe school shooting? Then count the number of other local shootings with two victims in those same national media sources. Obviously, for a national news story to "go away quickly" it must exist in the first place. The mindset of too many is - we put up a gun free zone sign and that didn't work so we need a gun ban. This story plays to that crowd.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You are now the Supreme Dictator of USofA.

    You have all-ending power to do what you wish.

    Would you make a decree that any and all shootings committed by teenagers, no matter how small or large, no matter the death toll, become banished from all media outside of the immediate area it happens and completely banished from all media 24 hours after incident?

    If part of the reason some kids might be going to such extreme measures is the fact that they might become "famous" is true, why not put an end to the "route to fame"?

    Do you think the media hype over these events plays an important role in setting up the next tragedy?

    If so - would you do something to change it if you could?
    I think it plays an extremely minimal role. These killers do seem to be motivated by extreme egotism. They seem to feel like the world isn't paying them the type of attention they feel they deserve, and this is their solution (the world will never forget me now!). But anybody who does something as awful as killing innocent children for no reason is going to be remembered in his community and by the families of the victims in an intense way forever, regardless of the media coverage. I don't see prohibiting media coverage having much of an effect in that respect.

    If you really want to use the media to deter these killers, have the media go after the people they cared about. And instead of having the media talk about "what made the killer do it?" "he seemed like such a nice boy," etc., they should compare the kid to other kids who experienced the same triggers, whether it be bullying, harassment, etc., and didn't go shoot up a school. Emphasize how extraordinarily cruel, selfish and lazy the decision to take out one's own issues on innocent people is. I believe this kids want to be remembered as mysteries, enigmas, martyrs even. But they aren't mysterious or martyrs at all -- just petulant brats.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Care to do a quick search and note how many national news outlets jumped on this Arapahoe school shooting? Then count the number of ohter local shootings with two victims in those same national media sources. Obviously, for a national news story to "go away quickly" it must exist in the first place. The mindset of too many is - we put up a gun free zone sign and that didn't work so we need a gun ban. This story plays to that crowd.
    Yes, they jumped on it, because it happened Friday. Every school shooting, be it Columbine or Arapahoe, gets picked up on day one. You think people will still be talking about it on, say, Tuesday? The media cycle works fast. One person died in that shooting, and it was the shooter. This thing will be long gone by mid-week.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    I'd decline the position of dictator.

    If you want to know my opinions of a free press, check out any of about 300 quotes from Thomas Jefferson. I agree with him 100% on it.

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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Well I don't know about others, but I would like to know what goes on in this world, and for someone to say that they would like to see the First Amendment walked over because they actually believe if atrocious crimes aren't reported, than the crimes would automatically stop, is not only absurd, but unfounded.
    The poll question assumed I am supreme dictator and have never ending power to do as I wish.This means I can change the constitution.

    Want to know why there are not enough stories that depicts people preventing crimes with guns? Because there is not enough of them to sing about, James, that's why. In this report by the Violence Policy Center using analysis from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and National Crime Victimization Survey Data, there is most likely a chance of a person's gun being stolen than it being used to prevent a crime.

    Here is an excerpt of the introduction to that report:
    The VPC is a anti-gun group of course they are going to say that.

    Private Guns Stop Crime 2.5M Times A Year In US
    Gary Kleck, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee and author of "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America" (Aldine de Gruyter, 1991), a book widely cited in the national gun-control debate. In an exclusive interview, Dr. Kleck revealed some preliminary results of the National Self- Defense Survey which he and his colleague Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993. Though he stresses that the results of the survey are preliminary and subject to future revision, Kleck is satisfied that the survey's results confirm his analysis of previous surveys which show that American civilians commonly use their privately-owned firearms to defend themselves against criminal attacks, and that such defensive uses significantly outnumber the criminal uses of firearms in America. The new survey, conducted by random telephone sampling of 4,978 households in all the states except Alaska and Hawaii, yield results indicating that American civilians use their firearms as often as 2.5 million times every year defending against a confrontation with a criminal, and that handguns alone account for up to 1.9 million defenses per year. Previous surveys, in Kleck's analysis, had underrepresented the extent of private firearms defenses because the questions asked failed to account for the possibility that a particular respondent might have had to use his or her firearm more than once.
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    Re: Should The Media Stop Reporting Teenage Shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You are now the Supreme Dictator of USofA.

    You have all-ending power to do what you wish.

    Would you make a decree that any and all shootings committed by teenagers, no matter how small or large, no matter the death toll, become banished from all media outside of the immediate area it happens and completely banished from all media 24 hours after incident?

    If part of the reason some kids might be going to such extreme measures is the fact that they might become "famous" is true, why not put an end to the "route to fame"?

    Do you think the media hype over these events plays an important role in setting up the next tragedy?


    If so - would you do something to change it if you could?



    I have never seen a study which found that ignoring anything made it stop happening.

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