View Poll Results: What will happen to the ACA assuming the web site is fixed? Pick all that apply.

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  • It will work as intended, and it will be butterflies and unicorns from then on.

    5 20.83%
  • Adverse selection will force the government to bail out insurance companies.

    9 37.50%
  • Cost containment will fail due to political pressure. Costs will go through the roof.

    11 45.83%
  • It will never take effect. They will keep delaying implementation until the Democrats are voted out.

    6 25.00%
  • The whole thing will collapse and the masses will demand single payer.

    7 29.17%
  • Dr. Ben Casey will return and demand that doctors charge $12 cash for clinic visits.

    1 4.17%
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Thread: Wither the ACA?

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think we've seen the tidal shift already, in recent polls. I can't at this minute, but dig them out.
    I really don't buy into polls. They are usually agenda driven and untrustworthy. Simple nuances of terminology tend to manipulate results. Question that can't be answered (have you stopped being a criminal? Is Obama a great President? Can 2+2=5).

    As you can see on this board, we still don't have anyone who posted a) what they pay now and b) what they bought through the exchange. Instead, we get anecdotes either praising or vilifying ACA that are usually very coincidentally matched to that person's political beliefs.

    So, as we roll into 2014, we'll find out the real world results and it will be good, bad or indifferent. This - despite Americas short term memory problems - will reflect itself at the voting booth in 2014.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Sorry, Eohrnberger. I am a neophyte around here. My redlining was just to make my response more understandable and transparent. should I be doing it differently?
    Your latest post's last two sentences are awesome and accurate. IMHO
    Naww, you're good. Generally it is accepted to break up another's quote and intersperse your specific responses, but I'm sure that either way is acceptable, to me anyway.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I really don't buy into polls. They are usually agenda driven and untrustworthy. Simple nuances of terminology tend to manipulate results. Question that can't be answered (have you stopped being a criminal? Is Obama a great President? Can 2+2=5).

    As you can see on this board, we still don't have anyone who posted a) what they pay now and b) what they bought through the exchange. Instead, we get anecdotes either praising or vilifying ACA that are usually very coincidentally matched to that person's political beliefs.

    So, as we roll into 2014, we'll find out the real world results and it will be good, bad or indifferent. This - despite Americas short term memory problems - will reflect itself at the voting booth in 2014.
    Very true. I've taken a peek at what I might have to pay, but until the employer mandate, I really don't have anything solid to go on.

    I can't imagine large employers dumping their people on the exchanges, eve with a raise to cover the difference. The workplace chaos and workforce moral that would result would cost them 10 times as much. My guess is that there'll be an incremental difference in cost to the employees to modify up the existing plans to be compliant with the Obamacare mandates, one that, if the employer is smart, they'll split with the employees. But never it be said that you are always working for a smart employer.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Once the website is fixed, there will be a generation of peace, love, caring and sharing, warm fuzzy tingly tinglings, puppy dogs, mary jane, and lovemaking in the streets....a collective love fest of hope and social justice that will free the world...rainbows and hugs, and loving, loving cuddly cuddlies, dancing prancing, happy, happy...
    Caitlyn Strong...

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Unless the GOP can take the Senate, the House and the White House, we're stuck with an unpopular program.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I really don't buy into polls. They are usually agenda driven and untrustworthy. Simple nuances of terminology tend to manipulate results. Question that can't be answered (have you stopped being a criminal? Is Obama a great President? Can 2+2=5).

    As you can see on this board, we still don't have anyone who posted a) what they pay now and b) what they bought through the exchange. Instead, we get anecdotes either praising or vilifying ACA that are usually very coincidentally matched to that person's political beliefs.

    So, as we roll into 2014, we'll find out the real world results and it will be good, bad or indifferent. This - despite Americas short term memory problems - will reflect itself at the voting booth in 2014.
    With only .1% of the folks (US population) even getting to the "add to cart" step on the PPACA federal website, and with fewer than 10% of those having actually made a payment, it is not surprising that .01% of the people are not well represented on this website.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    With only .1% of the folks (US population) even getting to the "add to cart" step on the PPACA federal website, and with fewer than 10% of those having actually made a payment, it is not surprising that .01% of the people are not well represented on this website.
    By mid-year, we'll have probably gotten past the .01% factor. As you say, with so few completed applications, we certainly know this isn't smooth and the website was built by incompetents.

    But there are people and companies who know how to fix this. They just need the King to be despoerate enough to use them instead of the largest donor. And they will.

    Then, and only then, will we find out what REALLY happened.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Assuming the web site issues are fixed, what will happen with the ACA?
    Anyone will receive free insurance. Which will cover nothing.

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Assuming the web site issues are fixed, what will happen with the ACA?
    In terms of the politics of the situation, or in terms of the actual evolution of the health care system?

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    Re: Wither the ACA?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    By mid-year, we'll have probably gotten past the .01% factor. As you say, with so few completed applications, we certainly know this isn't smooth and the website was built by incompetents.

    But there are people and companies who know how to fix this. They just need the King to be despoerate enough to use them instead of the largest donor. And they will.

    Then, and only then, will we find out what REALLY happened.
    What? Now is somehow not reality because the Obama administration is incompetent?
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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