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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    1.) I also agree. However IMO, blacks and probably women would STILL be waiting to be treated equally in our society. The intrusion of govt in these cases advanced their positions in society in years instead of decades.

    And as you said, we need an educated society. In this case the govt intrusion assisted, accelerated, that education. Is it fair that Americans who ALREADY DESERVE to be treated equally, have to wait for the ignorant and intolerant to catch up? If ever? The fed govt is charged with protecting the minority over the will over the majority.
    agreed and the argument could be made they still are waiting, of course its much better but im just saying the argument could be made
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    agreed and the argument could be made they still are waiting, of course its much better but im just saying the argument could be made
    I certainly dont think that racism has 'ended.' Nor marginalization of women.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I also agree. However IMO, blacks and probably women would STILL be waiting to be treated equally in our society. The intrusion of govt in these cases advanced their positions in society in years instead of decades.

    And as you said, we need an educated society. In this case the govt intrusion assisted, accelerated, that education. Is it fair that Americans who ALREADY DESERVE to be treated equally, have to wait for the ignorant and intolerant to catch up? If ever? The fed govt is charged with protecting the minority over the will over the majority.
    also on a side not and this doesnt have to do with you or anybody here just somethign i notice about LANGUAGE in general


    i have to ask what factually makes it "intrusion" as a negative?

    when government intrudes to prevent rape its not called an "intrusion" in a negative light

    its just based on feelings and not facts

    Government putting the rapist in jail and protecting rights and enforcing laws was great because i know the victim and the hell with that criminal

    Government giving this shop owner a fine (he wasnt fined just saying) and and protecting rights and enforcing laws was bad and intrusive because i dont like that law and i want to discriminate and that owner isnt a criminal he is a hero

    it makes me laugh how people can paint a picture and ignore facts. ANd im not claiming im not guilty of it, im sure in my life i have done the same just something interesting ive noticed on many topics lately.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I certainly dont think that racism has 'ended.' Nor marginalization of women.
    of course not, me niether because that would make us both very foolish and factually wrong
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    whether these actions you speak are right or wrong, it does not matter.....of coarse i think they are wrong, however my feelings do not play a part in law.

    every person has his rights to life liberty and property, and government has no moral authority to force people to do things against their will.

    it violates the founding principles, the u.s. constitution, and state constitutions.

    when we create laws, based on our feelings we are doomed, becuase who decides who feelings are going to be used.

    everyone's feelings are not the same.

    government is made up of people, .are those elected.. morality superior to the population, becuase they hold a term of office.
    The right to property is not based on moral authority. It is based on law alone. That is my opinion but it is certainly not the same as life or liberty. And the law already curtails our rights in the first 2 based on benefit/damage to society.

    Laws that curtail free speech such as not being able to yell Fire! in a crowd.

    Laws that enable us to curtail the right to liberty when you commit a crime...again, this is to protect society.

    I see anti-discrimination laws much the same. Not without their drawbacks, but definitely enhancing the rights of Americans that are deserving more than harming those that do not agree.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    also on a side not and this doesnt have to do with you or anybody here just somethign i notice about LANGUAGE in general


    i have to ask what factually makes it "intrusion" as a negative?
    I almost reconsidered using it for that very reason...that it usually has negative connotations. But I went with it anyway. It is accurate and that intrusion can be seen from both sides.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I almost reconsidered using it for that very reason...that it usually has negative connotations. But I went with it anyway. It is accurate and that intrusion can be seen from both sides.
    yep its just one of those things that people can latch emotion onto when its just a word with no REAL factually meaning other than its definition.

    Its like the word cult, all religions are cults but again its one of those words that people assume with negativity or SOME of its definitions have negativity so some dont like that.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The right to property is not based on moral authority. It is based on law alone. That is my opinion but it is certainly not the same as life or liberty. And the law already curtails our rights in the first 2 based on benefit/damage to society.
    the DOI... the bill of rights, all state you have right to life liberty and property..in fact its mentioned twice in the constitution...property is the corner stone of ALL RIGHTS........without property...... you have no rights at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Laws that curtail free speech such as not being able to yell Fire! in a crowd.

    incorrect, and this is used to many times..........you are held accountable, for the the harm you may do death/ pain of injury, loss of revenue, .......but not your words.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Laws that enable us to curtail the right to liberty when you commit a crime...again, this is to protect society.
    government can curtail your rights when you infringe on others rights

    but government has no authority to apply force to you when no crime has been committed, or health and safety in not involved.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I see anti-discrimination laws much the same. Not without their drawbacks, but definitely enhancing the rights of Americans that are deserving more than harming those that do not agree.
    you have no right to be served, and the constitution, forbids involuntary servitude....it is governments only that cannot discriminate.

    when you discriminate [ non violate], you are engaging in an emotional action, government has no authority becuase of how i behave emotionally.......i can be an A-HOLE, its none of the governments business.

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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the DOI... the bill of rights, all state you have right to life liberty and property..in fact its mentioned twice in the constitution...property is the corner stone of ALL RIGHTS........without property...... you have no rights at all.

    incorrect, and this is used to many times..........you are held accountable, for the the harm you may do death/ pain of injury, loss of revenue, .......but not your words.




    government can curtail your rights when you infringe on others rights

    but government has no authority to apply force to you when no crime has been committed, or health and safety in not involved.





    you have no right to be served, and the constitution, forbids involuntary servitude....it is governments only that cannot discriminate.

    when you discriminate [ non violate], you are engaging in an emotional action, government has no authority becuase of how i behave emotionally.......i can be an A-HOLE, its none of the governments business.
    Those are mostly your interpretations and you are welcome to them. Also, you made a point I hadnt really realized before but supports my case.

    however you are ignoring the HARM to individuals and society that discrimination does and that is what the laws are based on. This is the priority that the govt is placing on PEOPLE'S EQUAL rights over PROPERTY rights.

    So then you disagree with the fight for civil rights that blacks and women fought that the govt supported with laws that advanced their acceptance and equality in our society?

    You can. I dont. I believe that American that DESERVE equal rights shouldnt have to wait until all individuals in a society are willing to recognize it. The feds responsibility OVER the states is to protect the minorty from the majority.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
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    Here’s some quotes from his ruling.:
    I haven’t found the whole ruling yet, id really like to read it if anybody has it please post it and or let me know.
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    “The undisputed facts show that Respondents (Phillips) discriminated against Complainants because of their sexual orientation by refusing to sell them a wedding cake for their same-sex marriage,” Judge Spencer wrote."

    The order says the cake-maker mustcease and desist from discriminatingagainst gay couples. Although the judge did not impose fines in this case, the business will face penalties if it continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy cakes.Judge Spencer shot down the constitutional arguments, noting that the Supreme Court has "repeatedly found" that those engaged in commercial activity are subject to state discrimination laws, regardless of their religious beliefs. "Conceptually, refusal to serve a same-sex couple due to religious objection to same-sex weddings is no different from refusing to serve a biracial couple because of religious objection to biracial marriage," wrote Judge Spencer.

    "At first blush, it may seem reasonable that a private business should be able to refuse service to anyone it chooses," Spence wrote. "This view, however, fails to take into account the cost to society and the hurt caused to persons who are denied service simply because of who they are."
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    anyone find any more facts to add or more quotes from the ruling, i tried again for a little while but still cant find the complete ruling.

    Id really like to read more about the illegal discrimination part and all the references and factual support it has.

    PA has a site where most rulings are posted eventually but i couldnt find one that interactive for Colorado.
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