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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    My only legal conflict is does the state law supersede a possible violation of First Amendment right to practice their faith as they define practicing their faith. If so, the way around that is to dissolve the for-profit bakery and set up an faith-based non-profit organization that bakes wedding cakes. Or probably more practical if its that big of a concern for the bakers, discontinue the bakery's wedding cakes service altogether and just bake bread, cookies and pastries; then set up a separate faith-based non-profit that rents space from the for-profit at the same facility that only bakes wedding cakes for traditional Christian weddings.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    My only legal conflict is does the state law supersede a possible violation of First Amendment right to practice their faith as they define practicing their faith. If so, the way around that is to dissolve the for-profit bakery and set up an faith-based non-profit organization that bakes wedding cakes. Or probably more practical if its that big of a concern for the bakers, discontinue the bakery's wedding cakes service altogether and just bake bread, cookies and pastries; then set up a separate faith-based non-profit that rents space from the for-profit at the same facility that only bakes wedding cakes for traditional Christian weddings.

    1. A faith based, for Profit, business masquerading as a "non-profit" as a means of sidestepping anti-discrimination laws isn't probably going to fly under the laws of incorporation at both the state and federal levels.

    2. The second option (i.e. remove wedding cakes from the menu - allthough without the "non-profit" dodge) would be perfectly fine. No business is required to provide goods and services to a specific customer if they don't provide them to any customer(s).



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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    a place of public accommodation of which a private business is not.
    According to the state statute a private business is a public accommodation.

    As used in this part 6, "place of public accommodation" means any place of business engaged in any sales to the public and any place offering services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations to the public, including but not limited to any business offering wholesale or retail sales to the public; any place to eat, drink, sleep, or rest, or any combination thereof; any sporting or recreational area and facility; any public transportation facility; a barber shop, bathhouse, swimming pool, bath, steam or massage parlor, gymnasium, or other establishment conducted to serve the health, appearance, or physical condition of a person; a campsite or trailer camp; a dispensary, clinic, hospital, convalescent home, or other institution for the sick, ailing, aged, or infirm; a mortuary, undertaking parlor, or cemetery; an educational institution; or any public building, park, arena, theater, hall, auditorium, museum, library, exhibit, or public facility of any kind whether indoor or outdoor. "Place of public accommodation" shall not include a church, synagogue, mosque, or other place that is principally used for religious purposes.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    1. A faith based, for Profit, business masquerading as a "non-profit" as a means of sidestepping anti-discrimination laws isn't probably going to fly under the laws of incorporation at both the state and federal levels.

    2. The second option (i.e. remove wedding cakes from the menu - allthough without the "non-profit" dodge) would be perfectly fine. No business is required to provide goods and services to a specific customer if they don't provide them to any customer(s).



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    If the barkers truly see their cake baking service as a function of Christian ministry, I can't see anything legally wrong with setting up a separate non-profit entity that exclusively services traditional Christian weddings, but I'm not a lawyer.

    BTW: If it were me I'd sell cakes to anybody. There are a lot of things Christian object to on moral grounds that we inadvertently have a hand in. The act of eating cake is not a sin, to my understanding.
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    Re: Judge Enforces Law: Did this judge rule right according to law and facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why did you post your message only to turn around and deny it.
    can you show me where the USSC has recognized the right, to food, water and housing?

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