One way trip to Mars

specklebang said:

It will require terraforming and those who say "there is nothing there" are getting their opinions© from ? Sheer negativity I think.

This is for the bravest, boldest and most visionary. For most, a day without "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" is a hardship condition.

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Correct,no one is going to be drafted and sent to Mars.

Only the most capable, well trained, volunteers will go.

MarineTpartier said:

Why?

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Maybe because she has the vision that a lot of people on this planet lack.

Ad_Captandum said:

It's for the survival of humanity! Our eventual salvation lies in expanding beyond the Earth, and eventually beyond the solar system. Only then will we be able to truly ensure our civilisation lasts.

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This is one of the best reasons for doing this.

Yes; but something would have to happen to my wife for me to go off on a suicide mission.

joko104 said:

Think of living the rest of your life in a mobile home in the middle of the most horrible desolate and hot region on earth that you never, ever can leave. It's worse on Mars.

Any time they have tried to have humans in a small group live in a small space (cave, arboretum), they all quit within weeks

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Losers will always be losers no matter where you put them in this universe.

lka said:

I don't think you have much choice in that one

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Wrong, he could sign up for a trip to Mars!

sawyerloggingon said:

I'm sure there are a few people in this forum that wish I would sign up for this but really I just can't imagine. Apparently there is no shortage of applicants though. Beats the hell outa me why.


"An ambitious project that aims to send volunteers on a one-way trip to Mars unveiled plans for the first private unmanned mission to the Red Planet Tuesday, a robotic vanguard to human colonization that will launch in 2018.

Mars One

invited anyone over age 18 to apply to be an astronaut. About 165,000 people answered the first call for applications, which closed at the end of August. There will be four rounds of selection before the finalists are chosen.


Mars One unveils first stage of plan to colonize Red Planet | Fox News


EDIT: FREAKIN insane :lol:

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I would never sing up for something like this.Now if I was some pathetic loser who did not have a family or friends, no hobbies, didn't mind eating only canned foods,MREs and other none fresh food then sure I would sign up.Or if I was some murderer on death row and they offered me this one way trip to Mars then I might sign up.

shrubnose said:

The USA was not founded by doubters.

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Good lord, yes it was. All one has to do is read John Adams and Federalist popular press of the day to allow that to be shown as a popular opinion.

shrubnose said:

You don't know what you are talking about.

This is not 'Mission Impossible'

It is a very doable project, but it will take a lot of hard work (Which some people can't handle.).

Do a little research.

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We've seen the way NASA and SpaceX have to orientate themselves with regard to risk, financing and timetables. I really do not think it a dramatic leap to believe that a non-profit group with no known actual space craft and no alliance with the largest private entity doing space exploration has a ridiculous notion that somehow it will have the money, the technology, and the regimented experimentation to pull this off.

If this actually happens I predict the worst. It will end up like that movie The Shining but it will take place in space. HEEEEERE'S JOHNNY! :lol:

And once these brave explorers reach Mars, what are they supposed to do?

Watch bean sprouted grow?
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The future of the human race doesn't depend on going to Mars, it depending upon what we do with Earth.

Those thinking there are wondrous advancements out in space as we colonize planets really have no clue the realities involved. Mars does not sustain life. Therefore it offers no "hope" to the human race. There is no analogy to the discovery of the Americas, Mars has already been discovered. It makes less sense to think of colonizing Mars than colonizing Antarctica and colonizing the oceans' bottoms - as those can sustain life.

I see those who seek space as solutions to problems as a cop-out, a punt on reality in deference to reality to avoid reality. To say, "it's TOO much work to improve Earth and our planet." And then fantasize there is some marvelous new planet we can find perfect for us. Walter Mitty solutions. By declaring an impossible solution, a person had declared they favor doing nothing at all.

The nearest planet is 4 light years away. It would take 107,000 YEARS to reach it. And it is so uninhabitable no one could survive on it in an space craft for 1 second. The massive gravity would crush the person like being under a steel press.

So the punters-on-reality are simply opting out of any solutions and have the same attitude as those who believe their only hope is to be found in death and going to heaven. Sure, they hate life on earth, meaning they hate their own life - and I suppose everyone around them too. So it maybe predictable that "hope" only lies in fantasy. Claiming the future is "out there" is no different than looking at a painting of scene and declaring "I want to go there" - and if you take LSD I suppose you could. Even that is more a reality than "colonizing" another planet.

Such a view is also incredibly naïve about how complex a life eco system is. You really can't just take a Noah's Ark to another planet and "terraform" an eco system. It took 3,600,000,000 years for this to reach the point it's at on earth.

Looking for a better life "out there" has a billion times worse odds than a person declaring "I don't have to work, I'll just buy a lottery ticket."

We should take care of our own planet before we go screw up another one. Fantasizing of utopia "out there" is the perfect definition of a lazy ass making excuses.

shrubnose said:

You're only as old as you think you are and you're never too old to dream.

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You are posting slogans about fantasy totally devoid of grasping the realities of traveling to other planets. It makes as much sense and declaring we are going to establish a mission to find heaven.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't a heaven. Regardless, there is no way for a living person to get there. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, an inhabitable planet out there. Regardless, there is no way to get there. Same thing.

joko104 said:

You are posting slogans about fantasy totally devoid of grasping the realities of traveling to other planets. It makes as much sense and declaring we are going to establish a mission to find heaven.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't a heaven. Regardless, there is no way for a living person to get there. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, an inhabitable planet out there. Regardless, there is no way to get there. Same thing.

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You are pretty set against the idea of landing on another planet huh? You don't think it is worthy of a look huh? Not even as a place to experiment? Research and procedures to see if it is possible to sustain a population on a rock other than our own? Pretty damning of science if you ask me.

I say, "letter rip tater chip." If they wanna blast off to another planet...go get em. Maybe while they are at it...they can check under the ice of Europa. It isn't just about "colonizing." It is about exploration. Giving us a landing pad to jump to other places. It would certainly open up a variety of scientific opportunities just having a manned base on mars. For that matter just having an unmanned base would be pretty damn impressive.

Idk. I won't condemn this as a futile naive effort just because it is a dream. If we all thought that way we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no satellites, moon landings, or the Internet

shrubnose said:

A lot of people in Europe thought pretty much the same thing about those who had the courage to take a chance on going to the Americas.

How did those trips turn out for most people?

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They were heading towards an existing country that actually could support life. They knew where they were going and what was there.

shrubnose said:

The USA was not founded by doubters.

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Try reading history. They NEVER set out for places unknown or uninhabitable. Nor did the Columbus expedition. That expedition was seeking a new, faster route to a known location, India. Neither explorers nor colonists ever set out for destinations unknown and certainly not for uninhabitable lands.

stonewall50 said:

You are pretty set against the idea of landing on another planet huh? You don't think it is worthy of a look huh? Not even as a place to experiment? Research and procedures to see if it is possible to sustain a population on a rock other than our own? Pretty damning of science if you ask me.

I say, "letter rip tater chip." If they wanna blast off to another planet...go get em. Maybe while they are at it...they can check under the ice of Europa. It isn't just about "colonizing." It is about exploration. Giving us a landing pad to jump to other places. It would certainly open up a variety of scientific opportunities just having a manned base on mars. For that matter just having an unmanned base would be pretty damn impressive.

Idk. I won't condemn this as a futile naive effort just because it is a dream. If we all thought that way we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no satellites, moon landings, or the Internet

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Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.


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Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?

joko104 said:

Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.


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Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?

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... we are talking about Mars, right? It takes our probes months to get there.

No, I wouldn't take a one way trip to Mars.

I'd sure pony up a few bucks to help defray the costs of sending Miley Cyrus, though.

I have to admit I'm pretty stunned too at how many people claim they would go. I understood the frontier and the new world, I mean, they were fleeing terrible governments or terrible persecution, or getting fertile, beautiful land to raise a family on (and die from who knows what!), but Mars? It's not um, habitable.

Morality Games said:

... we are talking about Mars, right? It takes our probes months to get there.

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Yes, about 6 months or so. What could people there, at astronomical costs, learn that a probe cannot?

We BORE down into polar ice to learn the past. We don't build an elevator so people can go down there, do we?

Would you favor that? To bore a 10 foot diameter hole and then build a bunker so scientists could live 500 feet under ice for 2 years to learn what boring down might miss? That is essentially what putting people on Mars would be doing.

The deepest ocean dive in a manned craft was in 1960, over 5 decades ago. None have gone back because remote probes can not learn as much, but more.

Why don't you advocate putting a manned station deep on the ocean bottom? They used to build those too decades ago, and found they served NO scientific purpose. Just cost piles of money and endangered lives. They also found people couldn't handle it for very long.

joko104 said:

Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

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Well, it doesn't exist, for a start.

Mach said:

I have to admit I'm pretty stunned too at how many people claim they would go. I understood the frontier and the new world, I mean, they were fleeing terrible governments or terrible persecution, or getting fertile, beautiful land to raise a family on (and die from who knows what!), but Mars? It's not um, habitable.

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One stunning and dismal reality I often see is how many people are fully detached from reality, lost in slogans and fantasy, and then want those slogans and fantasies to literally dictate government policy and laws.

Ad_Captandum said:

Well, it doesn't exist, for a start.

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It exists as much as another inhabitable planet exists for all we know and for all practical purposes. How do you know it doesn't exist anyway. Over 70% of reality is fully unknown to any scientific theory, ie "black matter." Why not try to go to black (or "dark") matterland?

joko104 said:

Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.


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Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?

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For that matter why should we go to the moon? Or into space? Or into the depths of the ocean? We all have a comfortable living room don't we? Why not plant our fat asses there instead? And be happy?

You seem to miss the entire point of science. It isn't about sitting on our fat asses. It is about discovery. And since we have made dozens of leaps and bounds since the moon landing...perhaps the next logical step IS Mars? Or a moon base? But then what is the point of science if you are going to ask, "what is the point?"

You seem to think we should just stop ALL space exploration so we can focus on "Earth." Fix earth. Right? Well. Sorry to pop your bubble...but Earth is doomed. There is NOTHING you can do to save it. That is a scientific fact. Be it 1 billion years from now, or a few short thousand. The odds are against humanity an Earth.

Now. We CAN and DO have the ability to research "green" tech as well as space technology. As a matter of fact...one of our best bet FOR sustainable technology could lie in landing an artificial environment on another planet, construct it, and see if it is possible to sustain life in an otherwise inhospitable location. We can do that in space, but then that is not permanent. Orbits fall, payloads are limited, and so is manpower. If only there were a solid surface to land on?

See. You don't seem to get that part if science is unless you try...you don't know. I'm sure there were people who felt the same about landing on the moon though.

joko104 said:

It exists as much as another inhabitable planet exists for all we know and for all practical purposes. How do you know it doesn't exist anyway. Over 70% of reality is fully unknown to any scientific theory, ie "black matter." Why not try to go to black (or "dark") matterland?

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The odds of another inhabitable planet existing is nearly 100%...and then you must include moons as well (which more exist than planets).