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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Negativity and can't-do-ism, the driving force for progress for all the human race. Oh, no, wait...




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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Columbus was lost and didn't know where he had been even after he got home.
    Yes but at least he had air to breath.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    I'd go to another planet that was earth like in a heart beat but to go to Mars and spend my life in some little metal pod, no way in HELL!

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why would you need to pack anything other than your best suit?
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    So this is a veiled attempted at population control?

    Get rid of the stupid people first?

    I could go for that.
    I'm sorry, but I find these kinds of attitudes patently hilarious. If everyone thought like this, we would've never even left Africa, let alone gone on to become the dominant species on this planet.

    When in the heck did we become a society of, for lack of a better word, "Hobbits?" Why's everyone so risk of adverse?

    Where's your sense of adventure, people!?

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Columbus was lost and didn't know where he had been even after he got home.
    It worked out not only for him, but for Western Civilization in general, anyway. What's the problem?

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    First of all the calculations you are looking at are for boosting out of our gravity well, which entails significant cost both in money and resource. If someone is already there then the cost to move the material is much more minimal and the product that can be moved and processed is truly staggering, the scales which could this could be done are mind blowing. Right now we have the technology in existence to build the tools necessary to build massive processors able to consume fair sized asteroids with very little in internal energy input. Most of the input would be solar, which out in space is plenty at least in the near earth orbits. The Saturnine and Jovian orbits energy can be harvested via the magnetic belts. Making a living and thriving would be very possible.

    The only reason for Mars really would be for mining a rare hard to get material. Settling there would be difficult but not prohibitably so, most of the living structure would have to be underground which would make expansion fairly easy. There is water and plenty of CO2 to break into oxygen. People could do well there too.
    What would REALLY work swell would be to bust up an asteroid after using solar sails to alter it's course and speed slightly, so the shotgun effect of all the smaller pieces would obliterate some country, say like N. Korea. Then we could mine the material there on earth. We could use the troops we previously had on the border to do the mining. Thereafter N. Korea would be the new collection site. Sure, a lot would burn up on entry, but it's not like there'd be a shortage.

    Should run that by the military. Get the military behind a plan and it's gonna happen. I bet no one would mess with the USA after that, huh?

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It worked out not only for him, but for Western Civilization in general, anyway. What's the problem?

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
    Columbus didn't sail off to the unknown. He sailed off believing he would reach India by going around the world. That's why Native Americans are called "Indians."

    No venture, no lose. How's the ObamaCare venture working out?

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Negativity and can't-do-ism, the driving force for progress for all the human race. Oh, no, wait...




    Actually, I think a REAL problem in the USA and much of the Western World is a failure to live in reality, and instead live in the fantasyland of feel-good slogans and "wouldn't it be great if..." with NO thought as to what this costs, no thought of negative consequences, and no thought of what is being lost in pursuit of those cool things.

    Wouldn't it be great if everyone was guaranteed at least $50,000 a year from the government. Wouldn't it be great if we had everything we want in social programs, free medical care, unlimited military budgets, and no taxes.

    Wouldn't it be great if we spend $100 Trillion dollars searching for a new planet so we don't have to deal with the problems of this one - and we'll just get around all the scientific, mathematic, time, speed and cost factor limitation somehow. We can't get hung up on those little negatives the naysayers complain about. I mean it would be SOOOOOO cool to colonize Mars!

    How about we colonize the Sahara Desert first? It'd be easier. And actually would be possible. Then we can try to figure out how to do it 35 million miles away with no atmosphere, 200+ degree heat and lots and lots of radiation all the time.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Columbus didn't sail off to the unknown. He sailed off believing he would reach India by going around the world. That's why Native Americans are called "Indians."
    Okay, so suppose that we set off to colonize a "barren" moon, and wind up finding something we didn't expect (Helium 3, for instance), therefore changing our society forever?

    How is that any different from what happened with Columbus?

    Frankly, even if we don't account for such discoveries, there are exploitable resources in space that we are aware of even now. A single metallic asteroid can carry more ore than it would possible to mine in a decade here on earth.

    The introduction of that large an amount of raw resources into our economy could very lead to societal effects that would make the Industrial Revolution look like a mere footnote by way of comparison.

    No venture, no lose. How's the ObamaCare venture working out?
    Ask the Imperial Chinese how well that philosophy worked out for them.

    Stagnation is death.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Okay, so suppose that we set off to colonize a "barren" moon, and wind up finding something we didn't expect (Helium 3, for instance), therefore changing our society forever?

    How is that any different from what happened with Columbus?

    Frankly, even if we don't account for such discoveries, there are exploitable resources in space that we are aware of even now. A single metallic asteroid can carry more ore than it would possible to mine in a decade here on earth.

    The introduction of that large an amount of raw resources into our economy could very lead to societal effects that would make the Industrial Revolution look like a mere footnote by way of comparison.



    Ask the Imperial Chinese how well that philosophy worked out for them.

    Stagnation is death.
    They suspect Helium 3 is in the moon.
    Artemis Project: Lunar Helium-3 as an Energy Source, <br>in a nutshell
    Don't have to go to Mars for it. Nor is there a need for it now since such a reactor has not be successfully built.

    We can do "suppose ifs" forever. Suppose if we alter the course of an asteroid that causes a gravitational shift leading another massive asteroid to destroy all life on earth?

    Suppose as such massive funds are shifting to "wouldn't it be cool if..." stagnates other research of more likely results.

    To claim science is stagnate is absurd. Rather, I am reading Star Trekkie kindergarten science proposed to replace real scientific research that is just that, real.

    I already posted a link to it once. Even if we found an asteroid of pure gold and platinum, it is not economically viable for mining.

    Are you one of those people who has a contract that when you die they will quickly cut off your head and freeze it, with the prospect that in the future it could be defrosted, restarted and given a genetically lab created new body? "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." If not, just think if all of medical practice had instead taken your negative views?

    Just like I asks on military threads, you can NOT just say want you WANT. You also have to say what you GIVE UP to pay for it. Tell us in detail what Trillion+ dollars you want to take away from science for this, or is your's the ObamaCare plan of "BUT IT COSTS LESS IN THE LONG RUN" logic - the free money theory?

    We hear this "it saves in the long run!" crap all the time. Nuclear power for here - would save money in the long run, so they raised rates 25%, then another 25% for a few years to fix the busted old nuke and build 2 more - then announced it wasn't economically viable - so now that money is gone and it will take 60 YEARS to shutdown the old one at $1.2 BILLION - which of course will be $10 BILLION by the time we're done - and we're paying for that.

    SO... tell us the trillions plus dollars in scientific and technological development you would shut down for your plan. Be specific.

    BTW, there is fantastic amounts of mineral wealth at the bottom of the oceans. MUCH cheaper to get that. Why do you oppose doing that instead?

    Nor have you told any way to get massive amounts of material from space to earth economically or without potential massive environmental damage. With current and even realistic theory it can't be done. Fortunately for us, the atmosphere and earth's gravity is very "negative" towards stuff in space reaching land. If it didn't we'd all be dead.
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