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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm not the OP. I'm not stupid.

    This is a philosophical discussion. I promise not to actually leave for Mars unless I'm properly equipped. Honestly, I'm not going to go although it sounds like fun and something I might have done 50 years ago.

    This thread is a welcome relief from the all-day, all-night Obama bashing / Obama praising on this board. I thought we were here to have fun and present points of view. If you are taking this seriously, I suppose I must seem stupid to you so I withdraw my request for you to reconsider what seems to be rudeness for no actual purpose.
    What do you mean? It's Obama's fault we don't have a space station on Mars now. It was all ready to go, but he took all the money for ObamaCare. Bastard!

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And once these brave explorers reach Mars, what are they supposed to do?

    Watch bean sprouted grow?
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    The future of the human race doesn't depend on going to Mars, it depending upon what we do with Earth.

    Those thinking there are wondrous advancements out in space as we colonize planets really have no clue the realities involved. Mars does not sustain life. Therefore it offers no "hope" to the human race. There is no analogy to the discovery of the Americas, Mars has already been discovered. It makes less sense to think of colonizing Mars than colonizing Antarctica and colonizing the oceans' bottoms - as those can sustain life.

    I see those who seek space as solutions to problems as a cop-out, a punt on reality in deference to reality to avoid reality. To say, "it's TOO much work to improve Earth and our planet." And then fantasize there is some marvelous new planet we can find perfect for us. Walter Mitty solutions. By declaring an impossible solution, a person had declared they favor doing nothing at all.

    The nearest planet is 4 light years away. It would take 107,000 YEARS to reach it. And it is so uninhabitable no one could survive on it in an space craft for 1 second. The massive gravity would crush the person like being under a steel press.

    So the punters-on-reality are simply opting out of any solutions and have the same attitude as those who believe their only hope is to be found in death and going to heaven. Sure, they hate life on earth, meaning they hate their own life - and I suppose everyone around them too. So it maybe predictable that "hope" only lies in fantasy. Claiming the future is "out there" is no different than looking at a painting of scene and declaring "I want to go there" - and if you take LSD I suppose you could. Even that is more a reality than "colonizing" another planet.

    Such a view is also incredibly nave about how complex a life eco system is. You really can't just take a Noah's Ark to another planet and "terraform" an eco system. It took 3,600,000,000 years for this to reach the point it's at on earth.

    Looking for a better life "out there" has a billion times worse odds than a person declaring "I don't have to work, I'll just buy a lottery ticket."

    We should take care of our own planet before we go screw up another one. Fantasizing of utopia "out there" is the perfect definition of a lazy ass making excuses.
    There is one reason and only one reason I would prefer going to Mars or more preferably the Jovian moons than staying here and living under the ocean or in Antarctica, and that's government is now too close and will always have easy reach. Its not like the 1600's or 1700's or even the 1800's were bugging you was a chore. Settling Mars or the Jovian moons, while it doesn't prevent government from reaching out to you, it sure does make it awfully inconvenient for them to do much to bug you. Distance has a way of disentangling people.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You are absolutely right. The trick is to make them RV or trailer absolutely huge. I mean bigger than an aircraft carrier. Significantly so. That means assembling that living space in space. We have a few things to learn yet before we can do the trip comfortably and efficiently.
    Something like this!



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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    We'll have to go REALLY REALLY SUPER FAST to explore space.



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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What do you mean? It's Obama's fault we don't have a space station on Mars now. It was all ready to go, but he took all the money for ObamaCare. Bastard!
    Good catch. The wily fox has stolen space travel for his nefarious food stamps!

    Good job Detective.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That would be annoying, yes... but it's not like Mars has a crime problem, and I've heard the hunting sucks.
    Don't you want ANY movies about space? It's a slaughter out there.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Are you kidding? In a heart beat.

    Country is circling the drain, what a great way to escape.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, it isn't "just down the road." How is Mar's rich?

    There was a lot of talk and even a couple companies trying to promote mining an asteroid. However, when looked by economists, even if it was made of pure gold and platinum, it doesn't work economically.

    I'll ask it again. What can a manned probe do that a remote probe cannot? For size and survivability issues, a remote probe can have 100 times as much equipment and 1/100th the risks - and can stay there and function virtually indefinitely.

    Do you have any clue of the challenges, prices and size of a spacecraft that has to support a crew and travel for 1 year (there and back) is? What is your budget for this adventure question? Plus big enough for landing and take off fuel too? $1 Trillion? $3 Trillion? More?

    What is rational about not finding out what they might be worth going for and where at least before going there?

    First of all the calculations you are looking at are for boosting out of our gravity well, which entails significant cost both in money and resource. If someone is already there then the cost to move the material is much more minimal and the product that can be moved and processed is truly staggering, the scales which could this could be done are mind blowing. Right now we have the technology in existence to build the tools necessary to build massive processors able to consume fair sized asteroids with very little in internal energy input. Most of the input would be solar, which out in space is plenty at least in the near earth orbits. The Saturnine and Jovian orbits energy can be harvested via the magnetic belts. Making a living and thriving would be very possible.

    The only reason for Mars really would be for mining a rare hard to get material. Settling there would be difficult but not prohibitably so, most of the living structure would have to be underground which would make expansion fairly easy. There is water and plenty of CO2 to break into oxygen. People could do well there too.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Something like this!


    Something like that.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Columbus took a chance.

    Does anyone remember that guy?
    Columbus was lost and didn't know where he had been even after he got home.

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