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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    I copied this:

    Here are four examples of what it would take to send a canister about the size of a Shuttle payload (or a school bus) past our nearest neighboring star...and allowing 900 years for it to make this journey.

    Well....If you use chemical engines like those that are on the Shuttle, well..., sorry, there isn’t enough mass in the universe to supply the rocket propellant you’d need.

    So let’s step up to next possibilities, nuclear rockets with a predicted performance that’s 10 to 20 times better!

    Well...it’s still not looking all that good. For a fission rocket you would need a BILLION SUPERTANKER size propellant tanks to get you there, and even with fusion rockets you would still need a THOUSAND SUPERTANKERS!

    Even if we look at the best conceivable performance that we could engineer based on today’s knowledge, say an Ion engine or an antimatter rocket whose performance was 100 times better that the shuttle engines, we would need about ten railway tanker sized propellant tanks.

    That doesn’t sound too bad, until you consider that we didn’t bring along any propellant to let us stop when we get to the other star system...or if we want to get there quicker than 9 centuries.

    Once you add the desire to actually stop at your destination, or if you want to get there sooner, you’re back at the incredible supertanker situation again, even for our best conceivable rockets. It takes as much energy thrust to stop as it does to start.

    So... we develop ion motors and in space build a 2000 foot long space ship. And were off to the nearest star to see what's around it. 30 generations later - a period equating from the 1100 AD until now - humans finally get there. Darn, nothing there. Now everyone dies. No fuel to return.

    But it was a damn good thought!

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    It is not my OP. Nor did I suggest that people just go there unequipped. I discussed terraforming earlier in the thread and got clled stupid for that.

    So, some of us are more visionary than others. That doesn't make any of us bad. But to go to Mars will require a huge investment and planning. Christopher Columbus in space.

    Why assume no resources and no air provided for? Are you just looking for an opportunity to be insulting? If so, why?
    You have to understand what this will entail.

    There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

    We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    How to experience life on Mars.

    1. Go in your house or apartment.
    2. Stay there.

    You are now experiencing living on a station in Mars.

    To experience the trip, piles lots of food and water in a walk-in closet with a porta potty and potty bags. Go stay in it for 6 months. You are now traveling to Mars. Nothing is more exciting that a total void.

    It is amazing for anyone to actually think that while we can't collectively manage earth, we could do so on a barren and atmosphere-less distant planet.

    No one has given a reason, any purpose, to putting a station on Mars. Why not a station in a deep ocean trench instead?
    Riddle me this batman. Why are you so opposed to exploration and forward progress of human technology? Do you think it is fully impossible for humans to gain ANYTHING from attempting to build sustainable environments in places where it would otherwise be impossible? You don't see the potential here for technological growth? Hell. Just figuring out a way to BUILD that without putting humans on the planet first would make a DRASTIC leap in AI technologies. We are talking improvising and adaptive technologies that could assist in probes building such a structure. I really don't understand how someone that is pro "sustainable technology" wouldn't see space as the ULTIMATE test for whether or not something is sustainable.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I copied this:

    Here are four examples of what it would take to send a canister about the size of a Shuttle payload (or a school bus) past our nearest neighboring star...
    Let me stop you right there.

    You are shifting the focus. The title of this thread said Mars. "Would you take a one way trip to Mars"

    Do you see? MARS. Why are you trying to shift the focus? Come on joko. You know this isn't about going to another system. This is about MARS. PLEASE refrain from changing the subject to other systems.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You have to understand what this will entail.

    There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

    We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.
    But. How could we come near to that ability? Wouldn't it require something? Like experimentation? You know? Attempts at pushing said technologies forward? We make new discoveries every day. Why not try a few out?
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    I just think it's really funny that anyone discusses this as other than a pun-contest.

    That it'd be great to have go on the most interesting vacation - for which you get on a train you can't get off of and will die on - but your children will live - and die on it to. Generation after generation of children live, grow old and die on that train. Finally 900 years later, finally arriving - no way back. Amazingly, found an inhabitable planet? GREAT - 900 years to find land to plow up and farm.

    THAT is the ultimate travel plans to some people. To die on a train traveling thru a void they can never get off of and will die on.

    We can't even figure how to have a government that can make a budget for this one year! A 900 year plan? Ain't gonna happen.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Please tell that to President Obama.
    Wish I could. Correct me if I am wrong...didnt he pretty much cancel investments into programs we had running for years?
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Let me stop you right there.

    You are shifting the focus. The title of this thread said Mars. "Would you take a one way trip to Mars"

    Do you see? MARS. Why are you trying to shift the focus? Come on joko. You know this isn't about going to another system. This is about MARS. PLEASE refrain from changing the subject to other systems.
    OK, Mars. Name anything a station on Mars can do that a probe can't? Anything at all.

    Scientists stopped sending manned probes in deep oceans 5 decades ago. They don't send manned probes down into ancient ice. We don't send manned probes to the Moon for about 5 decades. All those could be done. Robotic probes do just fine. Why manually steer a machine there when you can remotely steer it from here?

    SO... the reason to send a manned probe to Mars, rather than a robotic one is?

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I just think it's really funny that anyone discusses this as other than a pun-contest.

    That it'd be great to have go on the most interesting vacation - for which you get on a train you can't get off of and will die on - but your children will live - and die on it to. Generation after generation of children live, grow old and die on that train. Finally 900 years later, finally arriving - no way back. Amazingly, found an inhabitable planet? GREAT - 900 years to find land to plow up and farm.

    THAT is the ultimate travel plans to some people. To die on a train traveling thru a void they can never get off of and will die on.

    We can't even figure how to have a government that can make a budget for this one year! A 900 year plan? Ain't gonna happen.
    900 years? It would take us 900 years to travel to Mars? Did you do the math wrong?
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You have to understand what this will entail.

    There is no breathable air on Mars so it has to come from somewhere. Everything has a weight to it in the space ship.

    We are nowhere near this and won't be for a long time to come.
    Honestly Mason, I don't know where the air comes from on the Space Station or the Moon Rockets but I assume there is some way to break down other elements to produce air and water. If not, nobody will be going anywhere. It is reasonable to assume that some provision must be made for this. You're not going to Mars in the family Buick. It will require parts to be sent in advance. It will be difficult and expensive.

    Think about the first cables they placed across the Atlantic for the early days of telegrams. What a challenge that was in an era with far less development. They had to invent wire. They had to invent a way to make stuff travel across that wire. Today, we speak., 0s and 1s take this and bring it to another phone around the world. How impossible that must have seemed once.

    And you may be right. We may never do this. We may stay here until the sun goes dark. But there are a few people who think this is something to be challenged. I support them and believe in them.

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