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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You are pretty set against the idea of landing on another planet huh? You don't think it is worthy of a look huh? Not even as a place to experiment? Research and procedures to see if it is possible to sustain a population on a rock other than our own? Pretty damning of science if you ask me.

    I say, "letter rip tater chip." If they wanna blast off to another planet...go get em. Maybe while they are at it...they can check under the ice of Europa. It isn't just about "colonizing." It is about exploration. Giving us a landing pad to jump to other places. It would certainly open up a variety of scientific opportunities just having a manned base on mars. For that matter just having an unmanned base would be pretty damn impressive.

    Idk. I won't condemn this as a futile naive effort just because it is a dream. If we all thought that way we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no satellites, moon landings, or the Internet
    Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

    Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

    Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

    10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

    And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

    And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

    The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

    These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.




    Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

    Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

    Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

    10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

    And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

    And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

    The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

    These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.




    Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?
    ... we are talking about Mars, right? It takes our probes months to get there.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    No, I wouldn't take a one way trip to Mars.

    I'd sure pony up a few bucks to help defray the costs of sending Miley Cyrus, though.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    I have to admit I'm pretty stunned too at how many people claim they would go. I understood the frontier and the new world, I mean, they were fleeing terrible governments or terrible persecution, or getting fertile, beautiful land to raise a family on (and die from who knows what!), but Mars? It's not um, habitable.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... we are talking about Mars, right? It takes our probes months to get there.
    Yes, about 6 months or so. What could people there, at astronomical costs, learn that a probe cannot?

    We BORE down into polar ice to learn the past. We don't build an elevator so people can go down there, do we?

    Would you favor that? To bore a 10 foot diameter hole and then build a bunker so scientists could live 500 feet under ice for 2 years to learn what boring down might miss? That is essentially what putting people on Mars would be doing.

    The deepest ocean dive in a manned craft was in 1960, over 5 decades ago. None have gone back because remote probes can not learn as much, but more.

    Why don't you advocate putting a manned station deep on the ocean bottom? They used to build those too decades ago, and found they served NO scientific purpose. Just cost piles of money and endangered lives. They also found people couldn't handle it for very long.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.
    Well, it doesn't exist, for a start.

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I have to admit I'm pretty stunned too at how many people claim they would go. I understood the frontier and the new world, I mean, they were fleeing terrible governments or terrible persecution, or getting fertile, beautiful land to raise a family on (and die from who knows what!), but Mars? It's not um, habitable.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Well, it doesn't exist, for a start.
    It exists as much as another inhabitable planet exists for all we know and for all practical purposes. How do you know it doesn't exist anyway. Over 70% of reality is fully unknown to any scientific theory, ie "black matter." Why not try to go to black (or "dark") matterland?

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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why not a quest for heaven? It's been written about for eons and is supposed to be a marvelous place.

    Jump to "other places." What other places? We can LOOK for other places at 186,000 miles per second - and in all directions. We can travel seeking other places in only 1 direction at 7 miles per second. So that's YOUR plan. To put people in a space ship and send them out looking at 7 miles per second for which the nearest known planet outside our solar system - totally uninhabitable in every way - is over 100,000 years away.

    Yeah, that's a rational plan. But, hey, here's another idea. HOW ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO BEFORE HEADING OUT ON A JOURNEY THAT 10,000 generations have live and die in a box before even seeing a planet that is a maybe. And doing that search looking over all our galaxy in all directions, rather than picking one of a billion possible directions for your 10,000 generation price lottery ticket.

    10,000 generations for a 1 in 1,000,000,000 long shot.

    And if that gamble pays off, it'd only take another 10,000 generations of space travelers for the next travels to it. So, if that 100,000 trillion to 1 odds gamble paid off, in about 500 million years it could possibly benefit people on earth. And dozens to hundreds of years each way for just a communication.

    And having Mars rather than the Moon as a "jumping off point" would be like backing your car 1/100,000 of an inch backwards to get a closer starting point for a 2000 mile road trip. And walking for 12 months to carry each suitcase to it. 6 months to take it to the car and 6 months to come back for the next one.

    The best "jumping off place" is, of course, earth.

    These "plans" are without any comprehension of the distances involved in space and objects that are light-years apart.




    Name ONE "scientific opportunity" on Mars that isn't on the moon? Or in orbit around earth?
    For that matter why should we go to the moon? Or into space? Or into the depths of the ocean? We all have a comfortable living room don't we? Why not plant our fat asses there instead? And be happy?

    You seem to miss the entire point of science. It isn't about sitting on our fat asses. It is about discovery. And since we have made dozens of leaps and bounds since the moon landing...perhaps the next logical step IS Mars? Or a moon base? But then what is the point of science if you are going to ask, "what is the point?"

    You seem to think we should just stop ALL space exploration so we can focus on "Earth." Fix earth. Right? Well. Sorry to pop your bubble...but Earth is doomed. There is NOTHING you can do to save it. That is a scientific fact. Be it 1 billion years from now, or a few short thousand. The odds are against humanity an Earth.

    Now. We CAN and DO have the ability to research "green" tech as well as space technology. As a matter of fact...one of our best bet FOR sustainable technology could lie in landing an artificial environment on another planet, construct it, and see if it is possible to sustain life in an otherwise inhospitable location. We can do that in space, but then that is not permanent. Orbits fall, payloads are limited, and so is manpower. If only there were a solid surface to land on?

    See. You don't seem to get that part if science is unless you try...you don't know. I'm sure there were people who felt the same about landing on the moon though.
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    Re: One way trip to Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It exists as much as another inhabitable planet exists for all we know and for all practical purposes. How do you know it doesn't exist anyway. Over 70% of reality is fully unknown to any scientific theory, ie "black matter." Why not try to go to black (or "dark") matterland?
    The odds of another inhabitable planet existing is nearly 100%...and then you must include moons as well (which more exist than planets).
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