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Thread: Another question about race

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its a minor issue, besides those racist southern democrats from the 50's are pretty much gone.

    In any case, they aren't the ones pushing identity politics in the contemporary era. Womens studies, ethnic studies, and so on, who's pushing that?
    They aren't gone at all. It's at least 50% of the reasons identity politics exist to the extent they do. It isn't like these people are just talking to themselves.

    It probably is a minor issue relative to 50 years ago. Who ever said otherwise?

    Was this the only reason you asked? So you could throw out a hack attempt at the blue team and claim there's no such thing as a conservative racist? Get a hobby.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    They aren't gone at all. It's at least 50% of the reasons identity politics exist to the extent they do. It isn't like these people are just talking to themselves.

    It probably is a minor issue relative to 50 years ago. Who ever said otherwise?

    Was this the only reason you asked? So you could throw out a hack attempt at the blue team and claim there's no such thing as a conservative racist? Get a hobby.
    It IS a minor issue relative to 50 years ago, and yet here we are with the studies YOU ADMIT ARE DIVISIVE. Its why so many feel the left is racist. And classist.

    Im not trying at ALL to hate on you, but I dont know that you grasp what the real issues are in the nation. Black on black violence is a real problem. Black on ANYONE violence is a real problem. And Asians make more than anyone in the US-and I am cool with that, because its not based on race-its based on achievement. I fly into mexico to provide medical care to migrant workers, and north of the border I provide primary care, and 911 care to the same demo-while I learn spanish. I live in southern Ca, how about you?

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It IS a minor issue relative to 50 years ago, and yet here we are with the studies YOU ADMIT ARE DIVISIVE. Its why so many feel the left is racist. And classist.

    Im not trying at ALL to hate on you, but I dont know that you grasp what the real issues are in the nation. Black on black violence is a real problem. Black on ANYONE violence is a real problem. And Asians make more than anyone in the US-and I am cool with that, because its not based on race-its based on achievement. I fly into mexico to provide medical care to migrant workers, and north of the border I provide primary care, and 911 care to the same demo-while I learn spanish. I live in southern Ca, how about you?
    What on earth are you going on about?

    Seriously. I'm lost about where this whole thing came from -- this out-pour of trying to prove you're not racist or something. Who are you trying to prove stuff to?

    What's going on in your head, dude?

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    Re: Another question about race

    It seems the majority of those who take exception to Americans referring to themselves as Italian, German, etc., focus on THEIR interpretation of what the speaker meant and are dismissing the intent of the speaker as having any validity. This of course, is completely backwards, with respect to understanding the rules of communications. If it is to be accurately understood, a stamement always means what the speaker intended it to mean, not what the hearer thinks they meant or what the hearer would have meant if they'd made a similar statement. Intellectual honesty does not allow us to impose our definitions on other people's wording if we know our definitions are not what they meant to imply.
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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What on earth are you going on about?

    Seriously. I'm lost about where this whole thing came from -- this out-pour of trying to prove you're not racist or something. Who are you trying to prove stuff to?

    What's going on in your head, dude?
    My entire point (read back) is that identity politics are not helping ANYONE.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    It seems the majority of those who take exception to Americans referring to themselves as Italian, German, etc., focus on THEIR interpretation of what the speaker meant and are dismissing the intent of the speaker as having any validity. This of course, is completely backwards, with respect to understanding the rules of communications. If it is to be accurately understood, a stamement always means what the speaker intended it to mean, not what the hearer thinks they meant or what the hearer would have meant if they'd made a similar statement. Intellectual honesty does not allow us to impose our definitions on other people's wording if we know our definitions are not what they meant to imply.
    The fact that such a huge portion of people all understand it the same way really negates that. Words mean things. I mean, I suppose you could ask someone to define how they're using each word each time they speak, but really, if someone is using words in a way no one understands them, that's more their issue than anyone else's.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    My entire point (read back) is that identity politics are not helping ANYONE.
    I think you just had an entire conversation in your head, because nothing you said was a response to anything I said.

    The hard push to prove you're not a racist at the end -- using identity politics -- was really fun too.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think you just had an entire conversation in your head, because nothing you said was a response to anything I said.

    The hard push to prove you're not a racist at the end -- using identity politics -- was really fun too.
    Thats because I dont know you-but in itself that is an artifact of leftism-anyone who opposes tenets of the left (like identity politics) is considered a DEFAULT RACIST. Thats f'd up.

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    Re: Another question about race

    I dont see any problem with people self identifying any way they want to, just so they are good citizens, and even if they arent, dont break any laws. I will go back and read the thread now.
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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont see any problem with people self identifying any way they want to, just so they are good citizens, and even if they arent, dont break any laws. I will go back and read the thread now.
    Please read up on identity politics and note that its not intent but outcomes that matter.

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