View Poll Results: Is it wrong to refer to themselves as any of the following?

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  • No, its fine to be refered to as listed

    18 56.25%
  • Yes, its wrong to be refered to as listed

    0 0%
  • No, I have neve expressed disapproval toward these designations

    6 18.75%
  • Yes, I have expressed disapproval toward these designations

    7 21.88%
  • No, I'm fine "-American" in these cases

    7 21.88%
  • Yes, its wrong to add "-American" in these cases

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Thread: Another question about race

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't think it's wrong, but I don't think it helps anything.

    Yes, language does have an extremely profound impact on perception. Language is the main tool of social and neural building for human beings. To say that these kinds of qualifiers have no impact on social cohesion, I think, is naive.

    "American" is not an ethnicity, and adding your ethnicity into it suggests that you wish to be set apart from just "American." Perhaps you don't wish it, but even then, that is how it goes into other people's brains.

    I won't say it's by any means the sole cause of the sharp racial divides we have in this country, but it is certain it reinforces it.

    I think this is more detrimental than purely ideological based divisions, because it basically forces an entire artificial framework that isn't actually based on any shared character or belief, and in the absence of any logical explanation for otherising yourself, it's inevitable illogical explanations will arise. That does nothing but deepen the stereotype the races.

    I am not going to call anyone out for doing it. I don't think it's "wrong." But I don't think it's helpful, and the fact that people feel such a need to include it even when people can readily see what color they are is a symptom and perhaps a contributor to bad racial relations.
    So what do you think Identity politics does to cohesiveness?
    Identity politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats a shame. How do jews elsewhere in the world see israel?
    Hard for me to talk about it. Because my mother was Jew. And I have a reverent attitude toward the Jews. Even been 2 times in Israel. But the fact that American Jews get up, Franken, Bloomberg, Weinstein, Fainshteyn, Emanuel, Lerner ... For me, it's just disgusting. Especially because I know very well, that made ​​liberal Jews in Russia, at the beginning of the last century.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Do you there anything unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to refer to themselves as any of the following with respect to ethic heritage?

    - Italian
    - Indian
    - Chinese
    - Irish
    - Jewish
    - German
    - Arab

    If you do consider it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong; have you ever in your life expressed disapproval of the specific references listed?

    To clear up any confusion that ethnicity is being discussed and not nationality of which the person is a patriotic citizen of America; is it unpatriotic, divisive or otherwise wrong for Americans to add "-American" in that reference?
    Is it so bad that you have to wonder about appearing 'unpatriotic'?
    Damn. It's become a religion, hasn't it. Careful what you say or you'll be accused of blasphemy.
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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So what do you think Identity politics does to cohesiveness?
    Identity politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It is rarely distinctly positive, but at times, it is necessary, if the broader society is willing to accept or encourage marginalization of a group -- which is them establishing otherness, not necessarily the group itself.

    Where I think racial identity politics can become uniquely corrosive is that racial lines don't fall neatly along cultural lines, so a racial division is not always reflective of a cultural division. This is especially true of people from settled families in the US (been here multiple generations).

    Like I said, in a lot of cases identities are reflective of some cohesive thing. For example, all people of a given religion have certain traditions in their interest. All people of a given sex have certain medical needs they are likely to utilize at some point.

    But there is nothing that can be said of all people from any given race. There isn't a single consistent factor among them. But to keep the divide strong, people on either side of it will simply invent things in order to justify its existence, and this is where it gets nasty.

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    Re: Another question about race

    You're all English anyway.

    I mean English as a language and an identity.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    It is rarely distinctly positive, but at times, it is necessary, if the broader society is willing to accept or encourage marginalization of a group -- which is them establishing otherness, not necessarily the group itself.

    Where I think racial identity politics can become uniquely corrosive is that racial lines don't fall neatly along cultural lines, so a racial division is not always reflective of a cultural division. This is especially true of people from settled families in the US (been here multiple generations).

    Like I said, in a lot of cases identities are reflective of some cohesive thing. For example, all people of a given religion have certain traditions in their interest. All people of a given sex have certain medical needs they are likely to utilize at some point.

    But there is nothing that can be said of all people from any given race. There isn't a single consistent factor among them. But to keep the divide strong, people on either side of it will simply invent things in order to justify its existence, and this is where it gets nasty.
    Who on the right does this?

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Who on the right does this?
    Well, your old-school separatists tend to be mostly conservative. The classic American-style racist is also usually conservative. However, there are endless permutations of how to be a racist that tend to present in different political belief systems.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well, your old-school separatists tend to be mostly conservative. The classic American-style racist is also usually conservative. However, there are endless permutations of how to be a racist that tend to present in different political belief systems.
    Im not talking about Selma in the 50's.

    Im talking about now, as a matter of politics (hence identity politics).

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im not talking about Selma in the 50's.

    Im talking about now, as a matter of politics (hence identity politics).
    Uh, these things don't just magically go poof once they stop getting significant air time. Selma from the 1950's is still alive, and she probably had kids, and while her kids probably aren't as racist as her, they probably are more racist than the generation after them will be.

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    Re: Another question about race

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Uh, these things don't just magically go poof once they stop getting significant air time. Selma from the 1950's is still alive, and she probably had kids, and while her kids probably aren't as racist as her, they probably are more racist than the generation after them will be.
    Its a minor issue, besides those racist southern democrats from the 50's are pretty much gone.

    In any case, they aren't the ones pushing identity politics in the contemporary era. Womens studies, ethnic studies, and so on, who's pushing that?

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